High Street ward councillors say another Poundland will not be good for Walthamstow town centre

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Labour and Liberal Democrat councillors are united in their opposition to the opening of another "low grade" pound shop in the High Street area of Walthamstow, claiming it will be detrimental to the area.

Poundland announced this week that the company will open its second store in Walthamstow at 3-5 Palace Parade – just metres from another branch in The Mall.

The company, which claims to be Europe’s biggest single price discount retailer, has not revealed how many jobs will be created or when it will open.

Labour's High Street ward councillor Clare Coghill said: “Whilst empty shop fronts are not good for the town centre, neither are very repetitive, low-quality, low-grade brands, which we’ve already got plenty of in the town centre."

High Street ward Liberal Democrat Mahmood Hussain said another pound store would not attract business and customers to the area.

“If this goes ahead we have four shops selling 99p stuff, which is slightly oversaturated in my opinion,” he said.

“I welcome anything that brings jobs and income to the area, but Poundland certainly won’t do that.”

Poundland does not need to apply for planning permission for a change of use of the building as it has already been used for retail.

And Cllr Coghill said local authorities needs more powers to control town centres.

“There is no planning application related to the inside of that building,” she said.

“It’s whoever the landlord will lease it to.

"Whether they are money lenders, pound shops or betting shops, in areas like Walthamstow businesses of those natures are going to come forward to make profit.

"If we don’t have the powers to defend our town centres we’re left in a weakened position.”

Poundland’s trading director Richard Lancaster said: “Poundland has grown significantly in the last 12 months and it’s fantastic to see this expansion continuing with a second store in Walthamstow.”

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10:15am Wed 12 Mar 14

chingford lad says...

Tut, tut, tut.
Tut, tut, tut. chingford lad
  • Score: -2

10:24am Wed 12 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Sad as it may be there must be a reason more quality shops are not appearing like in Mare Street Hackney where it is like walking up Regent St in parts. These shops have to be let or rates will be lost but it seems the council is doing very little to attract bigger quality chains, like discounts on rents and rates. The area is changing for the better with the housing boom and I hope that the council will not be complaining afterwards when all the shops are let to bookies, cash converters, loan shops and pound saving outlets selling cheap Chinese imports. People will just go to Stratford to shop.
Sad as it may be there must be a reason more quality shops are not appearing like in Mare Street Hackney where it is like walking up Regent St in parts. These shops have to be let or rates will be lost but it seems the council is doing very little to attract bigger quality chains, like discounts on rents and rates. The area is changing for the better with the housing boom and I hope that the council will not be complaining afterwards when all the shops are let to bookies, cash converters, loan shops and pound saving outlets selling cheap Chinese imports. People will just go to Stratford to shop. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 8

11:24am Wed 12 Mar 14

HottRedMan says...

I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices.
At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out.
What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people.
I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices. At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out. What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people. HottRedMan
  • Score: 7

11:48am Wed 12 Mar 14

SillyCnut says...

HottRedMan wrote:
I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices.
At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out.
What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people.
I am afraid you are misguided. Pound shops give the appearance of being cheap, but are often not. They are another scam perpetuated on the low-paid. For example, Tescos may sell a multi-pack of a product (assume 3 items) for 2.70. The pound shop will sell each of the three items for 1.00. Hence, you think it's cheap, but the same item would be, effectively, 90p.

They do have some loss leaders which are truly bargains, but mostly you are paying more (Google their annual returns and have a look at their profit growth). They crop up in areas like WF to take advantage of the low-paid.
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices. At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out. What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people.[/p][/quote]I am afraid you are misguided. Pound shops give the appearance of being cheap, but are often not. They are another scam perpetuated on the low-paid. For example, Tescos may sell a multi-pack of a product (assume 3 items) for 2.70. The pound shop will sell each of the three items for 1.00. Hence, you think it's cheap, but the same item would be, effectively, 90p. They do have some loss leaders which are truly bargains, but mostly you are paying more (Google their annual returns and have a look at their profit growth). They crop up in areas like WF to take advantage of the low-paid. SillyCnut
  • Score: 18

12:08pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Techno3 says...

SillyCnut wrote:
HottRedMan wrote:
I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices.
At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out.
What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people.
I am afraid you are misguided. Pound shops give the appearance of being cheap, but are often not. They are another scam perpetuated on the low-paid. For example, Tescos may sell a multi-pack of a product (assume 3 items) for 2.70. The pound shop will sell each of the three items for 1.00. Hence, you think it's cheap, but the same item would be, effectively, 90p.

They do have some loss leaders which are truly bargains, but mostly you are paying more (Google their annual returns and have a look at their profit growth). They crop up in areas like WF to take advantage of the low-paid.
Tesco are also targetting the local poor (a bit like Co-op). I recently visited the Tesco in St james' Street and was amazed at how ridiculously high their prices still are across most categories of merchandize, with very little choice. The only 'loss leaders' they seemed to stock were the cheap bottles of rotgut Australian house red. Tescos tinned tomatoes are a total rip-off. Their food offer seems mainly aimed at the bedsit market; over-priced ambient goods and convenience foods for people who either can't cook or don't have the means. At least Poundland type stores attract a better class of customer than the lonely urban bedsit alcoholics which Tesco seems to want cater for.
[quote][p][bold]SillyCnut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: I welcome another pound shop, after all councillors would rather stores selling the same branded items like supermarkets at over inflated prices. At least the poundshops do help the poorer people out. What a shame at Labour, as usual Labour these days are for the middle class and wealthy business people.[/p][/quote]I am afraid you are misguided. Pound shops give the appearance of being cheap, but are often not. They are another scam perpetuated on the low-paid. For example, Tescos may sell a multi-pack of a product (assume 3 items) for 2.70. The pound shop will sell each of the three items for 1.00. Hence, you think it's cheap, but the same item would be, effectively, 90p. They do have some loss leaders which are truly bargains, but mostly you are paying more (Google their annual returns and have a look at their profit growth). They crop up in areas like WF to take advantage of the low-paid.[/p][/quote]Tesco are also targetting the local poor (a bit like Co-op). I recently visited the Tesco in St james' Street and was amazed at how ridiculously high their prices still are across most categories of merchandize, with very little choice. The only 'loss leaders' they seemed to stock were the cheap bottles of rotgut Australian house red. Tescos tinned tomatoes are a total rip-off. Their food offer seems mainly aimed at the bedsit market; over-priced ambient goods and convenience foods for people who either can't cook or don't have the means. At least Poundland type stores attract a better class of customer than the lonely urban bedsit alcoholics which Tesco seems to want cater for. Techno3
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Wed 12 Mar 14

mdj says...

The grade of shops in an area is a function of the buying power of the people who live there, and the affordability of the rents and rates.

Only very recently has the Council expressed any interest in the health of its local economy. Having witnessed a quarter-century of stagnation under Labour overall control in an area with so many intrinsic attractions, I was forced to the cynical conclusion that something about this malaise was agreeable to those in power.
It would be wonderful to think that a real change of vision is taking place.
The change may result from so many international bigwigs having seen the area's embarrassing condition in the lead-up to the Olympics, and insisted on improvement in the face of local government apathy.

The Council can only play the hand that its powers allow it, but there is much it can do: allowing sites that formerly provided employment to be turned into dwellings for people who will then be seeking the jobs that have just been exported has to be the first thing to stop.
Expecting other areas to provide the wealth to power our own economy is not something that a sane independent state would do - so why does the council?
If half the people who leave the borough to work could do so locally, just imagine the amount of money saved on travel fares that single change alone would release into the local economy!
Has any effort ever been made to promote our rail centres as hubs for City back offices, for example?
Has anyone ever even seen our borough promoted in public outside its boundaries?
The grade of shops in an area is a function of the buying power of the people who live there, and the affordability of the rents and rates. Only very recently has the Council expressed any interest in the health of its local economy. Having witnessed a quarter-century of stagnation under Labour overall control in an area with so many intrinsic attractions, I was forced to the cynical conclusion that something about this malaise was agreeable to those in power. It would be wonderful to think that a real change of vision is taking place. The change may result from so many international bigwigs having seen the area's embarrassing condition in the lead-up to the Olympics, and insisted on improvement in the face of local government apathy. The Council can only play the hand that its powers allow it, but there is much it can do: allowing sites that formerly provided employment to be turned into dwellings for people who will then be seeking the jobs that have just been exported has to be the first thing to stop. Expecting other areas to provide the wealth to power our own economy is not something that a sane independent state would do - so why does the council? If half the people who leave the borough to work could do so locally, just imagine the amount of money saved on travel fares that single change alone would release into the local economy! Has any effort ever been made to promote our rail centres as hubs for City back offices, for example? Has anyone ever even seen our borough promoted in public outside its boundaries? mdj
  • Score: 6

2:37pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Garrow says...

The Labour Council's publicity sheet, Waltham Forest News, came through my door last week telling me that Waltham Forest was open for business, what a joke. This Borough used to have a huge amount of employment opportunities in factories, depots, shops etc, not any more. near where I live at the Billet the Labour council have created about 700 new flats, I reckon between 2 and 3000 people coming to this area. Both developments built on sites which provided employment and what is between these two sites? Sainsbury's. How do they expect our high streets to thrive when they have given consent for supermarket after supermarket, I can walk to 3 from where I live, if I drive I can park for nothing. Other local authorities have forced supermarkets to locate outside town centres or not allowed them at all, why have our planners never been able to think outside the box? When I was young my mum did all our weekly shopping down the High Street, I went there a few weeks ago and stayed about 20 minutes because there was just nothing that I wanted and yet this Labour Council still wants to be congratulated for destroying our way of life and wasting our resources.
The Labour Council's publicity sheet, Waltham Forest News, came through my door last week telling me that Waltham Forest was open for business, what a joke. This Borough used to have a huge amount of employment opportunities in factories, depots, shops etc, not any more. near where I live at the Billet the Labour council have created about 700 new flats, I reckon between 2 and 3000 people coming to this area. Both developments built on sites which provided employment and what is between these two sites? Sainsbury's. How do they expect our high streets to thrive when they have given consent for supermarket after supermarket, I can walk to 3 from where I live, if I drive I can park for nothing. Other local authorities have forced supermarkets to locate outside town centres or not allowed them at all, why have our planners never been able to think outside the box? When I was young my mum did all our weekly shopping down the High Street, I went there a few weeks ago and stayed about 20 minutes because there was just nothing that I wanted and yet this Labour Council still wants to be congratulated for destroying our way of life and wasting our resources. Garrow
  • Score: 7

4:48pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Thunderbird4 says...

mdj, said:
If half the people who leave the borough to work could do so locally, just imagine the amount of money saved on travel fares that single change alone would release into the local economy!

This is logical but cannot happen now. The CEO's of all privatised transport need people to pay fares, or they go bust. The time spent travelling to work is a wasted life and causes stress and other illnesses, which in turn puts stress on the NHS.
If transport were run by government, (nationalised), any fares paid would be used for the maintenance of the transport, any excess would go to the exchequer or provide cheaper fares; this is of course is abhorrent to a privatised industry.
mdj, said: If half the people who leave the borough to work could do so locally, just imagine the amount of money saved on travel fares that single change alone would release into the local economy! This is logical but cannot happen now. The CEO's of all privatised transport need people to pay fares, or they go bust. The time spent travelling to work is a wasted life and causes stress and other illnesses, which in turn puts stress on the NHS. If transport were run by government, (nationalised), any fares paid would be used for the maintenance of the transport, any excess would go to the exchequer or provide cheaper fares; this is of course is abhorrent to a privatised industry. Thunderbird4
  • Score: -2

9:21pm Wed 12 Mar 14

mdj says...

A very interesting article about Old Street by Cory Doctorow in Monday's national Guardian ('Series: City startups:The slow death of Silicon Roundabout') is a textbook illustration of how a council can kill a rising economy.
He is quick to spot that the process is not entirely accidental, and the inbreeding between the developer's representatives and the council's planning staff.
With a bit of local initiative here, those bright sparks could be coming out this way...
A very interesting article about Old Street by Cory Doctorow in Monday's national Guardian ('Series: City startups:The slow death of Silicon Roundabout') is a textbook illustration of how a council can kill a rising economy. He is quick to spot that the process is not entirely accidental, and the inbreeding between the developer's representatives and the council's planning staff. With a bit of local initiative here, those bright sparks could be coming out this way... mdj
  • Score: 5

9:23pm Wed 12 Mar 14

DogandDuck says...

Supply and demand. If no one needs it they go out of business.
Supply and demand. If no one needs it they go out of business. DogandDuck
  • Score: 3

10:19pm Wed 12 Mar 14

mdj says...

How do you explain the survival of endless identical fags 'n mags shops every 30 yards, D+D? I've heard various theories, mostly cynical, and am genuinely curious.
How do you explain the survival of endless identical fags 'n mags shops every 30 yards, D+D? I've heard various theories, mostly cynical, and am genuinely curious. mdj
  • Score: 1

1:14am Thu 13 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

mdj wrote:
How do you explain the survival of endless identical fags 'n mags shops every 30 yards, D+D? I've heard various theories, mostly cynical, and am genuinely curious.
We all know except the police.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: How do you explain the survival of endless identical fags 'n mags shops every 30 yards, D+D? I've heard various theories, mostly cynical, and am genuinely curious.[/p][/quote]We all know except the police. Villagecranberry
  • Score: -2

12:55pm Thu 13 Mar 14

livedheretoolong says...

Pound shops go well with pound-a-bowl street vendors. Keeps everything nice and simple. No need to learn complicated maths at school any more.

I can't help feeling that the type of shops that exist and survive in Waltham Forest are a reflection of the area as a whole.

If local councillors don't like the increase in pound shops they should be asking themselves the question why it is so difficult to attract the more up market shops they might prefer to see.

A lot of this is influenced by planning decisions. Years ago when the co-op left Leytonstone there was a huge plot of land which could have been developed. I seem to recall that plans were submitted for a very nice shopping complex. Instead we got Matalan (not the most essential of local shops and more suited to out of town developments) and the rest was developed into flats.
Pound shops go well with pound-a-bowl street vendors. Keeps everything nice and simple. No need to learn complicated maths at school any more. I can't help feeling that the type of shops that exist and survive in Waltham Forest are a reflection of the area as a whole. If local councillors don't like the increase in pound shops they should be asking themselves the question why it is so difficult to attract the more up market shops they might prefer to see. A lot of this is influenced by planning decisions. Years ago when the co-op left Leytonstone there was a huge plot of land which could have been developed. I seem to recall that plans were submitted for a very nice shopping complex. Instead we got Matalan (not the most essential of local shops and more suited to out of town developments) and the rest was developed into flats. livedheretoolong
  • Score: 5

1:24pm Thu 13 Mar 14

stickmanny says...

Matalan is pointless and very very ugly. It is matched only by the backside of Homebase that inexplicably faces the street.

There will be more fancy shops opening to serve the new arrivals. They can live alongside the Poundlands of this world
Matalan is pointless and very very ugly. It is matched only by the backside of Homebase that inexplicably faces the street. There will be more fancy shops opening to serve the new arrivals. They can live alongside the Poundlands of this world stickmanny
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Thunderbird4 says...

mdj wrote:
A very interesting article about Old Street by Cory Doctorow in Monday's national Guardian ('Series: City startups:The slow death of Silicon Roundabout') is a textbook illustration of how a council can kill a rising economy.
He is quick to spot that the process is not entirely accidental, and the inbreeding between the developer's representatives and the council's planning staff.
With a bit of local initiative here, those bright sparks could be coming out this way...
It happened in WF at least seven years ago - developers/property agents/council staff.
[quote][p][bold]mdj[/bold] wrote: A very interesting article about Old Street by Cory Doctorow in Monday's national Guardian ('Series: City startups:The slow death of Silicon Roundabout') is a textbook illustration of how a council can kill a rising economy. He is quick to spot that the process is not entirely accidental, and the inbreeding between the developer's representatives and the council's planning staff. With a bit of local initiative here, those bright sparks could be coming out this way...[/p][/quote]It happened in WF at least seven years ago - developers/property agents/council staff. Thunderbird4
  • Score: 5

6:37pm Thu 13 Mar 14

osdan says...

For a small number of middle class people who have come to Walthamstow because of gentification the prescene of yet more pound budget shops will be a great offence and the words of these two elitist politicians will resonate with them.
But for the majority of people in Wathamstow they will just see another shop which sells things that they can afford. If the local middle class residents don't like these shops they can go to more expensive places too shop and stop trying to ram their little Islington onto us.
The prescene of these shops is due to poverty, benefit cuts and cuts to wages which creates a market for low cost shops. Politicians need to understand this rather than attack them as low grade and talk about them cheapening high streets.
For a small number of middle class people who have come to Walthamstow because of gentification the prescene of yet more pound budget shops will be a great offence and the words of these two elitist politicians will resonate with them. But for the majority of people in Wathamstow they will just see another shop which sells things that they can afford. If the local middle class residents don't like these shops they can go to more expensive places too shop and stop trying to ram their little Islington onto us. The prescene of these shops is due to poverty, benefit cuts and cuts to wages which creates a market for low cost shops. Politicians need to understand this rather than attack them as low grade and talk about them cheapening high streets. osdan
  • Score: 4

9:03pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Ferdy54 says...

What do they expect? That suits the sort of people that live in Walthamstow.
What do they expect? That suits the sort of people that live in Walthamstow. Ferdy54
  • Score: -1

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