PICTURED: Orpington 15-year-old 'shocked' and 'angry' after police search leaves him needing six stitches in his head

Jason's injury

Jason's injury

Jason required six stitches after the incident

Jason Bermudez

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An Orpington 15-year-old was "shocked" and "angry" after a police search ended in him needing six stitches in his head.

The incident happened on Saturday (March 1) at around 5pm, as Jason Bermudez was waiting with friends at a bus stop close to Sundridge Park railway station.

Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location.

Jason, of Meadow View, St Paul's Cray, told News Shopper "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us.

"She told me to get my hands out of my pockets.

"I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them.

"I didn't know what I had done so I started resisting and pulling away.

"A male officer then ran in and pulled me towards him.

"He twisted me around and I hit my head on the post which was holding up the bus stop."

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Jason was knocked out by the blow and came around shortly afterwards.

He said: "I don't know how long I was out for but when I woke up my forehead was basically open and there was blood coming down my face.

"There was an ambulance and there were still police around but the officer who had done it to me had gone."

Jason was taken hospital where he received six stitches. Police did not arrest him and no weapon was recovered.

He added: "I didn't know what to think. I was shocked. I wasn't expecting it.

"When I thought about it I was angry."

His father Thomas Bermudez, 42, who used to be a police officer in his native country of Columbia, said: "The police are unprofessional.

"Any country in the world this is a very bad situation.

"He is only 15-years-old. The procedure is not good."

A police spokesman said: "Police were called to Plaistow Lane, Bromley at 4.59pm on Saturday March 1, after reports of a male armed with a knife at the location.

"Officers attended the scene and while attempting to restrain a youth in order to search him, the youth and a police officer fell to the ground.

"The youth sustained a cut to his forehead that required hospital treatment."

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2:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

london10 says...

If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting london10
  • Score: -109

3:04pm Tue 4 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening. ripnetuk
  • Score: 137

3:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

joncook says...

ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind,
"The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them."
He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do. joncook
  • Score: -48

3:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

kentlad says...

Its hard to know what to believe in situations like this unless you were actually there in person.. unfortunately most youths of today think they are above the law and because of this no doubt this particular boy got hurt in the process of being taken down because he refused to be cuffed If they needed to handcuff the lad in order to carry out a search and made this perfectly clear then the boy shouldnt have resisted however, if they tried to cuff the lad without telling him why and used force then they should definately have their actions questioned. I have seen on many of occasions Police using excessive force but, i have also witnessed people making the Police officers job harder than it needs to be. My attitude is if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear SIMPLE!!!
Its hard to know what to believe in situations like this unless you were actually there in person.. unfortunately most youths of today think they are above the law and because of this no doubt this particular boy got hurt in the process of being taken down because he refused to be cuffed If they needed to handcuff the lad in order to carry out a search and made this perfectly clear then the boy shouldnt have resisted however, if they tried to cuff the lad without telling him why and used force then they should definately have their actions questioned. I have seen on many of occasions Police using excessive force but, i have also witnessed people making the Police officers job harder than it needs to be. My attitude is if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear SIMPLE!!! kentlad
  • Score: -18

3:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

The system needs to protect itself and needs PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS to protect it. I have seen these pratts who believe a costume actually makes them GODS. Some old school police constables know the job, the newbies are watching to much television. I got pulled over by a moron once, I was young but this twonk was just needing a brain. I am just glad that in this country we don't have guns........
"YOU STOLE A £0.05 LOLLIPOP FROM A SHOP??......BANGGG"
"NO ONE MESSES WITH THE POLICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEE" "ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHH, I'M GREATTEER THANN GODDDDD"
The system needs to protect itself and needs PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS to protect it. I have seen these pratts who believe a costume actually makes them GODS. Some old school police constables know the job, the newbies are watching to much television. I got pulled over by a moron once, I was young but this twonk was just needing a brain. I am just glad that in this country we don't have guns........ "YOU STOLE A £0.05 LOLLIPOP FROM A SHOP??......BANGGG" "NO ONE MESSES WITH THE POLICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE" "ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH, I'M GREATTEER THANN GODDDDD" white rabbit9
  • Score: 33

3:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Linja says...

joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind,
"The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them."
He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop.
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop. Linja
  • Score: 56

4:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Suttle182 says...

We merely have this boy's versions if events. There was a situation where a person with a knife had been reported in the vicinity - that would be a deadly weapon - and this boy when confronted has been belligerent and uncooperative. I'm not saying that this young man deserved the injuries he received, but that was the consequences of both the police and HIS actions.
We merely have this boy's versions if events. There was a situation where a person with a knife had been reported in the vicinity - that would be a deadly weapon - and this boy when confronted has been belligerent and uncooperative. I'm not saying that this young man deserved the injuries he received, but that was the consequences of both the police and HIS actions. Suttle182
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
Rubbish. If you read the article the youth was NOT arrested.

This sounds like bored plod chucking their weight about with teenagers, it used to happen back in the seventies too, only in those days they got away with it more.

Thomas, take this matter further & ask for an apology from the Superintendent.
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. If you read the article the youth was NOT arrested. This sounds like bored plod chucking their weight about with teenagers, it used to happen back in the seventies too, only in those days they got away with it more. Thomas, take this matter further & ask for an apology from the Superintendent. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 39

5:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"Officers attended the scene and while attempting to restrain a youth in order to search him, the youth and a police officer fell to the ground. "

Just think yaself lucky ya never fell on the truncheon son. When you grow up boi you will quickly learn there's only ever one winner with OB, and it aint you.
"Officers attended the scene and while attempting to restrain a youth in order to search him, the youth and a police officer fell to the ground. " Just think yaself lucky ya never fell on the truncheon son. When you grow up boi you will quickly learn there's only ever one winner with OB, and it aint you. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -49

5:26pm Tue 4 Mar 14

joncook says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
Rubbish. If you read the article the youth was NOT arrested.

This sounds like bored plod chucking their weight about with teenagers, it used to happen back in the seventies too, only in those days they got away with it more.

Thomas, take this matter further & ask for an apology from the Superintendent.
I never mentioned him being arrested. I mentioned that he resisted. The police cannot take a chance when they believe a weapon is involved. If he wasn't guilty what did he have to be worried about? It would have all been over in a couple of minutes and he would have gone on his way but instead he decided to kick off.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. If you read the article the youth was NOT arrested. This sounds like bored plod chucking their weight about with teenagers, it used to happen back in the seventies too, only in those days they got away with it more. Thomas, take this matter further & ask for an apology from the Superintendent.[/p][/quote]I never mentioned him being arrested. I mentioned that he resisted. The police cannot take a chance when they believe a weapon is involved. If he wasn't guilty what did he have to be worried about? It would have all been over in a couple of minutes and he would have gone on his way but instead he decided to kick off. joncook
  • Score: -13

8:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

cherished says...

I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado.
I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado. cherished
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Tue 4 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

All the critics need to wake up and smell the coffee. The police are on a shout for someone with a possible weapon. I very effective weapon at that,it could kill you in one blow.

The copper told him to get his hands out of his pockets and they tried to cuff him so he resisted. Now if you are a copper expecting someone with a knife and the suspect now decides not to cooperate what would you do ?
Perhaps you could stand back and invite them to tea and hope they dont stab you.
Or you could try to remove the potential threat by cuffing them ?

Try dealing with a youth who may have a knife and see how you deal with it,its easy to comment if you havent been in that situation before.

Perhaps the critics would prefer if they has tasered him instead ?

Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ?
All the critics need to wake up and smell the coffee. The police are on a shout for someone with a possible weapon. I very effective weapon at that,it could kill you in one blow. The copper told him to get his hands out of his pockets and they tried to cuff him so he resisted. Now if you are a copper expecting someone with a knife and the suspect now decides not to cooperate what would you do ? Perhaps you could stand back and invite them to tea and hope they dont stab you. Or you could try to remove the potential threat by cuffing them ? Try dealing with a youth who may have a knife and see how you deal with it,its easy to comment if you havent been in that situation before. Perhaps the critics would prefer if they has tasered him instead ? Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ? toomush2drink
  • Score: -14

11:03pm Tue 4 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ?
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Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ? -------------- Look up lawful vs legal. Learn something amazing today. white rabbit9
  • Score: 32

11:24pm Tue 4 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
So what would you have done in that situation? You very well could be innocent, you could be thoroughly humiliated by this incident, would YOU just give in graciously?
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]So what would you have done in that situation? You very well could be innocent, you could be thoroughly humiliated by this incident, would YOU just give in graciously? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 42

11:58pm Tue 4 Mar 14

catmantoo says...

"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse! catmantoo
  • Score: -10

10:14am Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances. ripnetuk
  • Score: 31

10:39am Wed 5 Mar 14

joncook says...

ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities. joncook
  • Score: -19

10:52am Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station. ripnetuk
  • Score: 30

10:57am Wed 5 Mar 14

joncook says...

ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
They aren't to know if he has a knife until they check!!!
You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]They aren't to know if he has a knife until they check!!! You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause. joncook
  • Score: -15

11:01am Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

"You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause."

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"You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause." You http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Battle_of_C able_Street Are http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Death_of_Ke vin_Gately Totally http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Windsor_Fre e_Festival Right http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Blair_Peach that http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Battle_of_t he_Beanfield it http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Death_of_Ri chard_O%27Brien never http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Death_of_Ha rry_Stanley never http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Death_of_Ia n_Tomlinson happens. I must be delusional. Wibble Wobble. ripnetuk
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11:20am Wed 5 Mar 14

the wall says...

joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
They aren't to know if he has a knife until they check!!!
You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause.
Rollocks!
Ian Tomlinson (7 February 1962 – 1 April 2009)
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]They aren't to know if he has a knife until they check!!! You are utterly delusional if you believe a police officer would jeopardize their career and have to do all the paperwork that no doubt went along with this if they didn't believe there was just cause.[/p][/quote]Rollocks! Ian Tomlinson (7 February 1962 – 1 April 2009) the wall
  • Score: 21

12:03pm Wed 5 Mar 14

highway warrior says...

The fool resisted and there was a possibility of a knife involved. If i was in the officers situation I'd have done similar. Supposing he did have the knife and was resisting to try and get it out to stab the police officers? Wouldn't be an issue then would it? SO until they know that then the force is reasonable.
Nothing to see here, move along.....
The fool resisted and there was a possibility of a knife involved. If i was in the officers situation I'd have done similar. Supposing he did have the knife and was resisting to try and get it out to stab the police officers? Wouldn't be an issue then would it? SO until they know that then the force is reasonable. Nothing to see here, move along..... highway warrior
  • Score: -20

12:14pm Wed 5 Mar 14

the wall says...

Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths.
Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths. the wall
  • Score: 21

12:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

the wall wrote:
Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths.
I wouldn't have thought so. Sounds like one bad officer to me, not a conspiracy. I am speculating here, but it sounds to me like we have a copper who cant control his temper. Great!

Im sure there was ether a knife, or something was mistaken for one.

Im also sure questions are being asked about him putting a child in hospital. I dont believe one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

Cops in the UK are generally very good IME.

It would take a lot of bent cops to brush it under the carpet if there never was a knife in the first place IMHO
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't have thought so. Sounds like one bad officer to me, not a conspiracy. I am speculating here, but it sounds to me like we have a copper who cant control his temper. Great! Im sure there was ether a knife, or something was mistaken for one. Im also sure questions are being asked about him putting a child in hospital. I dont believe one bad apple spoils the whole bunch. Cops in the UK are generally very good IME. It would take a lot of bent cops to brush it under the carpet if there never was a knife in the first place IMHO ripnetuk
  • Score: 33

12:30pm Wed 5 Mar 14

the wall says...

ripnetuk wrote:
the wall wrote:
Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths.
I wouldn't have thought so. Sounds like one bad officer to me, not a conspiracy. I am speculating here, but it sounds to me like we have a copper who cant control his temper. Great!

Im sure there was ether a knife, or something was mistaken for one.

Im also sure questions are being asked about him putting a child in hospital. I dont believe one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

Cops in the UK are generally very good IME.

It would take a lot of bent cops to brush it under the carpet if there never was a knife in the first place IMHO
Police rock up to a group of youths and say 'ello ello ello we've had a report of trouble in the area'. This goes back to when I was a youth. We got smart and asked to hear the report over the radio. The Police make stuff up. I have friend and family that are job, I know a lot of the tricks.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: Police approached him following up reports of a man armed with a knife at the location...... Lets hope the Police having the telephone recordings of people reporting this. I do hope the Police aren't making this 'man armed with a knife' report up. Just to hassle some youths.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't have thought so. Sounds like one bad officer to me, not a conspiracy. I am speculating here, but it sounds to me like we have a copper who cant control his temper. Great! Im sure there was ether a knife, or something was mistaken for one. Im also sure questions are being asked about him putting a child in hospital. I dont believe one bad apple spoils the whole bunch. Cops in the UK are generally very good IME. It would take a lot of bent cops to brush it under the carpet if there never was a knife in the first place IMHO[/p][/quote]Police rock up to a group of youths and say 'ello ello ello we've had a report of trouble in the area'. This goes back to when I was a youth. We got smart and asked to hear the report over the radio. The Police make stuff up. I have friend and family that are job, I know a lot of the tricks. the wall
  • Score: 34

1:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
Corrupt copper??????
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]Corrupt copper?????? reasonable75
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

Yeah, corrupt copper, perhaps Nickle, Zinc or Silver
Yeah, corrupt copper, perhaps Nickle, Zinc or Silver ripnetuk
  • Score: 4

1:49pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Stroppy spotty 'erbert learns a life lesson the hard way, don't mess with the biggest gang in the world..the po po.
Stroppy spotty 'erbert learns a life lesson the hard way, don't mess with the biggest gang in the world..the po po. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -51

3:00pm Wed 5 Mar 14

johnfirewall says...

It was a report of someone carrying a knife, not wielding a machete. Of course none of us know the boy's true reaction to the attempted cuffing but I wasn't aware the procedure was to fly in with cuffs when attempting a search. A procedure which could apply to most stop and searches as these are generally for the purpose of discovering either weapons or drugs.
It was a report of someone carrying a knife, not wielding a machete. Of course none of us know the boy's true reaction to the attempted cuffing but I wasn't aware the procedure was to fly in with cuffs when attempting a search. A procedure which could apply to most stop and searches as these are generally for the purpose of discovering either weapons or drugs. johnfirewall
  • Score: 40

4:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
The police weren't attacking him. What kind of world would we be living in if the police weren't allowed to search anyone , question them etc and the police are quite right to want to search him asap and cuff him so they can search him, 1) to protect themselves if he is violent and 2) so they can make sure people don't throw drugs, weapons etc away. I've been on the wrong side of the law many times, but if you resist you accept the consequences. Being innocent is no excuse at all for resisting, how do the police know he's innocent until they have searched him and questioned him.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]The police weren't attacking him. What kind of world would we be living in if the police weren't allowed to search anyone , question them etc and the police are quite right to want to search him asap and cuff him so they can search him, 1) to protect themselves if he is violent and 2) so they can make sure people don't throw drugs, weapons etc away. I've been on the wrong side of the law many times, but if you resist you accept the consequences. Being innocent is no excuse at all for resisting, how do the police know he's innocent until they have searched him and questioned him. london10
  • Score: -22

4:38pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind,
"The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them."
He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
yes she had to cuff him because there was a possibility he had a knife, whether or not he did or didn't doesn't matter, she had to protect herself by incapacitating his hands
[quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]yes she had to cuff him because there was a possibility he had a knife, whether or not he did or didn't doesn't matter, she had to protect herself by incapacitating his hands london10
  • Score: -23

4:40pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

Linja wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind,
"The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them."
He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop.
because they thought he had a knife, therefore she didn't wish to get stabbed
[quote][p][bold]Linja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop.[/p][/quote]because they thought he had a knife, therefore she didn't wish to get stabbed london10
  • Score: -19

4:42pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
and what does resisting arrest get you? cs gassed, hurt or arrested. Whether innocent or not. Law is the law.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]and what does resisting arrest get you? cs gassed, hurt or arrested. Whether innocent or not. Law is the law. london10
  • Score: -34

4:46pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

cherished wrote:
I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado.
sensible comment, most on here just think he should have resisted, why make life harder for yourself and get yourself known to the police when it can be avoided.
[quote][p][bold]cherished[/bold] wrote: I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado.[/p][/quote]sensible comment, most on here just think he should have resisted, why make life harder for yourself and get yourself known to the police when it can be avoided. london10
  • Score: -29

4:56pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
So what would you have done in that situation? You very well could be innocent, you could be thoroughly humiliated by this incident, would YOU just give in graciously?
yes , because im not stupid. resisting just makes him look guilty. The police woman thought he had a knife, so she had to cuff him for her safety. Had he not resisted he wouldn't have got hurt, what would have happened had it been the police officer who got knocked out and needed stitches, hed be done for doing a police officer.

What do you think the police are going to do if he resists?? Let him go ?? Of course they arent , they are likely to cs gas him, or pin him down and force him to comply.

So tell me what it achieved resisting ?? It didn't make him look innocent, and it could well of ended up with him being arrested.

Do you think she should have spoke to him and given him the chance to run off or possibly stab her.

Yes ive been in that situation lots of times, and been to prison, If i had nothing to hide id gladly let them check me, it is there job, it is also the law.

Any decent human being would tell their child if the police pull you over you comply if you have nothing to hide.

Why do you think it is so wrong for him to be cuffed while searched? Would you rather the person wielding a knife got away and stabbed someone, possibly your child or family?
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]So what would you have done in that situation? You very well could be innocent, you could be thoroughly humiliated by this incident, would YOU just give in graciously?[/p][/quote]yes , because im not stupid. resisting just makes him look guilty. The police woman thought he had a knife, so she had to cuff him for her safety. Had he not resisted he wouldn't have got hurt, what would have happened had it been the police officer who got knocked out and needed stitches, hed be done for doing a police officer. What do you think the police are going to do if he resists?? Let him go ?? Of course they arent , they are likely to cs gas him, or pin him down and force him to comply. So tell me what it achieved resisting ?? It didn't make him look innocent, and it could well of ended up with him being arrested. Do you think she should have spoke to him and given him the chance to run off or possibly stab her. Yes ive been in that situation lots of times, and been to prison, If i had nothing to hide id gladly let them check me, it is there job, it is also the law. Any decent human being would tell their child if the police pull you over you comply if you have nothing to hide. Why do you think it is so wrong for him to be cuffed while searched? Would you rather the person wielding a knife got away and stabbed someone, possibly your child or family? london10
  • Score: -28

5:01pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
All the critics need to wake up and smell the coffee. The police are on a shout for someone with a possible weapon. I very effective weapon at that,it could kill you in one blow.

The copper told him to get his hands out of his pockets and they tried to cuff him so he resisted. Now if you are a copper expecting someone with a knife and the suspect now decides not to cooperate what would you do ?
Perhaps you could stand back and invite them to tea and hope they dont stab you.
Or you could try to remove the potential threat by cuffing them ?

Try dealing with a youth who may have a knife and see how you deal with it,its easy to comment if you havent been in that situation before.

Perhaps the critics would prefer if they has tasered him instead ?

Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ?
True, seems most on here are stupid and don't see the view of the police officers, or the fact that a knife wielding youngster out there could stab one of their children or family. They would rather they didn't cuff come kid they don't even know.

As you say let them approach people who are thought to have a knife and see how they deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: All the critics need to wake up and smell the coffee. The police are on a shout for someone with a possible weapon. I very effective weapon at that,it could kill you in one blow. The copper told him to get his hands out of his pockets and they tried to cuff him so he resisted. Now if you are a copper expecting someone with a knife and the suspect now decides not to cooperate what would you do ? Perhaps you could stand back and invite them to tea and hope they dont stab you. Or you could try to remove the potential threat by cuffing them ? Try dealing with a youth who may have a knife and see how you deal with it,its easy to comment if you havent been in that situation before. Perhaps the critics would prefer if they has tasered him instead ? Why cant people just cooperate,its far less hassle ?[/p][/quote]True, seems most on here are stupid and don't see the view of the police officers, or the fact that a knife wielding youngster out there could stab one of their children or family. They would rather they didn't cuff come kid they don't even know. As you say let them approach people who are thought to have a knife and see how they deal with it. london10
  • Score: -29

5:01pm Wed 5 Mar 14

cherished says...

london10 wrote:
cherished wrote:
I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado.
sensible comment, most on here just think he should have resisted, why make life harder for yourself and get yourself known to the police when it can be avoided.
Thanks... would be interesting to hear his friends account of what happened, it didnt sound like he was alone,so he must have fitted a description!
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cherished[/bold] wrote: I would imagine that he fitted a description, mistake to resist though, especially when the police are running on adrenaline and Jason on bravado.[/p][/quote]sensible comment, most on here just think he should have resisted, why make life harder for yourself and get yourself known to the police when it can be avoided.[/p][/quote]Thanks... would be interesting to hear his friends account of what happened, it didnt sound like he was alone,so he must have fitted a description! cherished
  • Score: -16

5:46pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police. london10
  • Score: -43

5:54pm Wed 5 Mar 14

london10 says...

johnfirewall wrote:
It was a report of someone carrying a knife, not wielding a machete. Of course none of us know the boy's true reaction to the attempted cuffing but I wasn't aware the procedure was to fly in with cuffs when attempting a search. A procedure which could apply to most stop and searches as these are generally for the purpose of discovering either weapons or drugs.
it is common procedure to cuff anyone who could possibly have a knife, it is part of police training, cuffing them so they cant use it on the police or public if they have one.
[quote][p][bold]johnfirewall[/bold] wrote: It was a report of someone carrying a knife, not wielding a machete. Of course none of us know the boy's true reaction to the attempted cuffing but I wasn't aware the procedure was to fly in with cuffs when attempting a search. A procedure which could apply to most stop and searches as these are generally for the purpose of discovering either weapons or drugs.[/p][/quote]it is common procedure to cuff anyone who could possibly have a knife, it is part of police training, cuffing them so they cant use it on the police or public if they have one. london10
  • Score: -39

7:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
The system needs to protect itself and needs PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS to protect it. I have seen these pratts who believe a costume actually makes them GODS. Some old school police constables know the job, the newbies are watching to much television. I got pulled over by a moron once, I was young but this twonk was just needing a brain. I am just glad that in this country we don't have guns........
"YOU STOLE A £0.05 LOLLIPOP FROM A SHOP??......BANGGG"
"NO ONE MESSES WITH THE POLICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

EEEE" "ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

HHHHHHH, I'M GREATTEER THANN GODDDDD"
Forgotten to take your medication?
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: The system needs to protect itself and needs PSYCHOPATHIC MORONS to protect it. I have seen these pratts who believe a costume actually makes them GODS. Some old school police constables know the job, the newbies are watching to much television. I got pulled over by a moron once, I was young but this twonk was just needing a brain. I am just glad that in this country we don't have guns........ "YOU STOLE A £0.05 LOLLIPOP FROM A SHOP??......BANGGG" "NO ONE MESSES WITH THE POLICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEE" "ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHH, I'M GREATTEER THANN GODDDDD"[/p][/quote]Forgotten to take your medication? Marty1979
  • Score: -34

8:07pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

london10 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police.
Except when he does. Apparently if the arrest is unlawful (eg if plod arrests his enemy without a lawful reason) its legit to resist arrest. I dont expect (and hope) that extends to beating the **** out of an officer.

http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/libertycentral/2009
/jul/13/liberty-clin
ic-resisting-arrest
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police.[/p][/quote]Except when he does. Apparently if the arrest is unlawful (eg if plod arrests his enemy without a lawful reason) its legit to resist arrest. I dont expect (and hope) that extends to beating the **** out of an officer. http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /libertycentral/2009 /jul/13/liberty-clin ic-resisting-arrest ripnetuk
  • Score: 35

8:11pm Wed 5 Mar 14

ripnetuk says...

ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police.
Except when he does. Apparently if the arrest is unlawful (eg if plod arrests his enemy without a lawful reason) its legit to resist arrest. I dont expect (and hope) that extends to beating the **** out of an officer.

http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/libertycentral/2009

/jul/13/liberty-clin

ic-resisting-arrest
Of course i meant doesn't extend... like i said earlier, i wouldn't swap our plod for any other countries (possibly excluding New Zealand)... we are very lucky.

this will get investigated and get a fair outcome. Our plods are not untouchable, as the Macpherson enquiry shows. They also operate without firearms most of the time. Im proud.

This helps me sleep at night. Go boys in blue :) and get rid of this **** asap to retain your hard obtained reputation for genuinely policing by consent..
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]He doesn't have the right to resist. It is illegal to resist the police.[/p][/quote]Except when he does. Apparently if the arrest is unlawful (eg if plod arrests his enemy without a lawful reason) its legit to resist arrest. I dont expect (and hope) that extends to beating the **** out of an officer. http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /libertycentral/2009 /jul/13/liberty-clin ic-resisting-arrest[/p][/quote]Of course i meant doesn't extend... like i said earlier, i wouldn't swap our plod for any other countries (possibly excluding New Zealand)... we are very lucky. this will get investigated and get a fair outcome. Our plods are not untouchable, as the Macpherson enquiry shows. They also operate without firearms most of the time. Im proud. This helps me sleep at night. Go boys in blue :) and get rid of this **** asap to retain your hard obtained reputation for genuinely policing by consent.. ripnetuk
  • Score: 45

8:54am Thu 6 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

I notice nobody who said it was wrong has offered an alternative way of dealing with it that prevents you getting stabbed.

Keyboard warriers who have never had the unpleasant business of actually dealing with someone with a knife.

See first hand how effective a weapon a knife is and perhaps you may see it from a different angle.

When you see someone get stabbed about 10 times in a few seconds you wake up and see the reality of the threat of a knife.
I notice nobody who said it was wrong has offered an alternative way of dealing with it that prevents you getting stabbed. Keyboard warriers who have never had the unpleasant business of actually dealing with someone with a knife. See first hand how effective a weapon a knife is and perhaps you may see it from a different angle. When you see someone get stabbed about 10 times in a few seconds you wake up and see the reality of the threat of a knife. toomush2drink
  • Score: -22

1:16pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

And any comment that the police were right in restraining him, or that he was wrong to resist, gets the thumbs down

Strange
And any comment that the police were right in restraining him, or that he was wrong to resist, gets the thumbs down Strange Marty1979
  • Score: -23

2:28pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Virtual-Monster says...

Here's an idea, rather than stop and search, maybe the Police should have just tasered or shot him because you are guilty unless proven innocent. Oh hang on, that's other countries.

Why should any innocent person accept or tolerate being restrained or handcuffed at any time? As soon as the Police officer placed her hands on this boy the incident became common assault and she committed a section 4 Public Order offence.

Police are public servants and hiding behind a uniform to explain their over reaction has got to be stamped out. Sooner the new Police (anti) corruption legislation becomes law, the better.
Here's an idea, rather than stop and search, maybe the Police should have just tasered or shot him because you are guilty unless proven innocent. Oh hang on, that's other countries. Why should any innocent person accept or tolerate being restrained or handcuffed at any time? As soon as the Police officer placed her hands on this boy the incident became common assault and she committed a section 4 Public Order offence. Police are public servants and hiding behind a uniform to explain their over reaction has got to be stamped out. Sooner the new Police (anti) corruption legislation becomes law, the better. Virtual-Monster
  • Score: 32

5:18pm Thu 6 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Marty1979 wrote:
And any comment that the police were right in restraining him, or that he was wrong to resist, gets the thumbs down Strange
It's not strange, the majority view is that a kid waiting at a bus stop should have been initially treated simply as a kid waiting at a bus stop.

And as it turned out he WAS just a kid waiting at a bus stop. It got nasty because plod threw their weight about.
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: And any comment that the police were right in restraining him, or that he was wrong to resist, gets the thumbs down Strange[/p][/quote]It's not strange, the majority view is that a kid waiting at a bus stop should have been initially treated simply as a kid waiting at a bus stop. And as it turned out he WAS just a kid waiting at a bus stop. It got nasty because plod threw their weight about. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 45

7:45pm Thu 6 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ?

A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?
Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ? A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ? toomush2drink
  • Score: -24

8:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

franksutton says...

toomush2drink wrote:
Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ?

A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?
People are very quick to criticise the police, but cannot come up with a reasoned suggestion

Unfortunately youths often carry knives, and even NS frequently carrys reports of a stabbing

The police had a report of someone carrying a knife. They questioned a group of youths, asked one to take his hands out of his pockets. Possibly due to his attitude she may have decided to search him. For safety she decided to handcuff him (whilst searching, if he had been carrying a knife she could have been stabbed). He resisted, another officer tried to restrain him, they fell to the ground

For those supporting this innocent young man, how would you feel if he or one of his friends had been carrying a knife, the police had ignored the group - and they then got on a bus and attacked someone?

Couldn't happen? Just read the papers

And perhaps answer the question
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ? A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?[/p][/quote]People are very quick to criticise the police, but cannot come up with a reasoned suggestion Unfortunately youths often carry knives, and even NS frequently carrys reports of a stabbing The police had a report of someone carrying a knife. They questioned a group of youths, asked one to take his hands out of his pockets. Possibly due to his attitude she may have decided to search him. For safety she decided to handcuff him (whilst searching, if he had been carrying a knife she could have been stabbed). He resisted, another officer tried to restrain him, they fell to the ground For those supporting this innocent young man, how would you feel if he or one of his friends had been carrying a knife, the police had ignored the group - and they then got on a bus and attacked someone? Couldn't happen? Just read the papers And perhaps answer the question franksutton
  • Score: -18

10:22pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mmm111 says...

ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude.
[quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude. mmm111
  • Score: -24

5:17am Fri 7 Mar 14

Petras says...

Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.
Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child. Petras
  • Score: -19

8:12am Fri 7 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

mmm111 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude.
That is not what the police have told the NS.

This is similar to the "Jayden didn't start it the uvver girl dissed her by not gettin out of her way" type of post, only it makes a change to see it reversed.
[quote][p][bold]mmm111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude.[/p][/quote]That is not what the police have told the NS. This is similar to the "Jayden didn't start it the uvver girl dissed her by not gettin out of her way" type of post, only it makes a change to see it reversed. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 21

8:21am Fri 7 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Petras wrote:
Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.
After your brief outbreak of sanity earlier this week it's good to see you back on form, considering a boy waiting at a bus stop to automatically to be a "lout" is a bit OTT even for you.

I think you will find that most adults, male and female, would object to suddenly being handcuffed by police whilst waiting at a bus stop. And most adults would feel very strongly about being knocked out as a result of police overenthusiasm. As for the police and their "difficult job" they have vehicles, they have scores of back up colleagues, they have handcuffs, they have batons, they have tasers, it's not as if they go naked into that good night.

The boy did not go "running to Mummy", he was unconscious & taken to hospital.
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.[/p][/quote]After your brief outbreak of sanity earlier this week it's good to see you back on form, considering a boy waiting at a bus stop to automatically to be a "lout" is a bit OTT even for you. I think you will find that most adults, male and female, would object to suddenly being handcuffed by police whilst waiting at a bus stop. And most adults would feel very strongly about being knocked out as a result of police overenthusiasm. As for the police and their "difficult job" they have vehicles, they have scores of back up colleagues, they have handcuffs, they have batons, they have tasers, it's not as if they go naked into that good night. The boy did not go "running to Mummy", he was unconscious & taken to hospital. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 34

12:01pm Fri 7 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

If you read the article, from both the victim and the police spokeswoman, then you'll notice that at no point did they tell him what they were searching him for, or for what reason they thought that it was him. They also failed to tell him the necessary information about themselves (names, warrant card, etc.) and they didn't say that they detaining him for a search. They just went straight over to him and tried to put him in handcuffs without saying a word about what they were doing or why they were doing it.
If you read the article, from both the victim and the police spokeswoman, then you'll notice that at no point did they tell him what they were searching him for, or for what reason they thought that it was him. They also failed to tell him the necessary information about themselves (names, warrant card, etc.) and they didn't say that they detaining him for a search. They just went straight over to him and tried to put him in handcuffs without saying a word about what they were doing or why they were doing it. UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 29

12:06pm Fri 7 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

Before you’re searched the police officer *MUST* tell you:

their name and police station
what they expect to find, eg drugs
the reason they want to search you, eg it looks like you’re hiding something
why they are legally allowed to search you
that you can have a record of the search and if this isn’t possible at the time, how you can get a copy

Source link:
https://www.gov.uk/p
olice-powers-to-stop
-and-search-your-rig
hts
Before you’re searched the police officer *MUST* tell you: their name and police station what they expect to find, eg drugs the reason they want to search you, eg it looks like you’re hiding something why they are legally allowed to search you that you can have a record of the search and if this isn’t possible at the time, how you can get a copy Source link: https://www.gov.uk/p olice-powers-to-stop -and-search-your-rig hts UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 38

1:17pm Fri 7 Mar 14

kentlad says...

Petras wrote:
Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.
I wouldn’t say he got what he deserved no one deserves to be treated the way this young lad did however, I think he looks cheeky in this picture (probably not the best pic to use) I can imagine he probably gave them a little bit of lip and lets be fair if the Police believe you have a weapon and you are resisting to co-operate then they will take you down with force for their own protection and for the safety of the public!!!
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.[/p][/quote]I wouldn’t say he got what he deserved no one deserves to be treated the way this young lad did however, I think he looks cheeky in this picture (probably not the best pic to use) I can imagine he probably gave them a little bit of lip and lets be fair if the Police believe you have a weapon and you are resisting to co-operate then they will take you down with force for their own protection and for the safety of the public!!! kentlad
  • Score: -24

5:13pm Fri 7 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ?

A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?
No answer yet
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ? A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?[/p][/quote]No answer yet reasonable75
  • Score: -15

7:27pm Fri 7 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

reasonable75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ?

A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?
No answer yet
And that sums it up really..

Getting ready for the volley of down votes and of course no answer to the simple question.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ? A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?[/p][/quote]No answer yet[/p][/quote]And that sums it up really.. Getting ready for the volley of down votes and of course no answer to the simple question. toomush2drink
  • Score: -16

8:04pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Marty1979 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
reasonable75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ?

A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?
No answer yet
And that sums it up really..

Getting ready for the volley of down votes and of course no answer to the simple question.
The question must be too difficult so (as well as thumbs down) take the simple option of blaming the police

Wonder what some would do if they were faced by a gang of yobs, possibly armed with a knife, perhaps if a police car drove past the officers should keep going in case they offended the youths?
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: Still no response on how it should have been dealt with ? A simple question just explain how it should have been dealt with that ensured the police officers safety ?[/p][/quote]No answer yet[/p][/quote]And that sums it up really.. Getting ready for the volley of down votes and of course no answer to the simple question.[/p][/quote]The question must be too difficult so (as well as thumbs down) take the simple option of blaming the police Wonder what some would do if they were faced by a gang of yobs, possibly armed with a knife, perhaps if a police car drove past the officers should keep going in case they offended the youths? Marty1979
  • Score: -13

8:38am Sun 9 Mar 14

reasonable75 says...

Still no answer - but loads of thumbs down
Still no answer - but loads of thumbs down reasonable75
  • Score: -5

6:43pm Sun 9 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

london10 wrote:
Linja wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.
Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind,
"The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them."
He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.
What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop.
because they thought he had a knife, therefore she didn't wish to get stabbed
.....so they went straight up to him and tried to grab his hands and handcuff him? Do you not see a problem with that?
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linja[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]WTF ??? of course being innocent is a good reason to resist. Why should innocent people be grabbed from behind and handcuffed ? if it were me who had been attacked from behind, I might well at least try and run off before i realised what was happening.[/p][/quote]Read the article. He wasn't attacked from behind, "The police pulled over and a female police officer got out and came over to us. She told me to get my hands out of my pockets. I got my hands out and she grabbed them and started trying to handcuff them." He resisted arrest, the police did what they had to do.[/p][/quote]What has happened to "Excuse me we wish to ask you some questions" Not grabbing someone. If speaking to adults it's "Excuse me Sir/Madam" this acting as if they are something off The Sweeney must stop.[/p][/quote]because they thought he had a knife, therefore she didn't wish to get stabbed[/p][/quote].....so they went straight up to him and tried to grab his hands and handcuff him? Do you not see a problem with that? UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 25

7:35pm Sun 9 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

mmm111 wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
joncook wrote:
ripnetuk wrote:
catmantoo wrote:
"Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...."



Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse!
I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation.

Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police.

I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.
Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene.
All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.
Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen.

Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,?

It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances.

Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** ****

Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.
Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude.
1) Where's the knife?
2) What's your source?
[quote][p][bold]mmm111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joncook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ripnetuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catmantoo[/bold] wrote: "Excuse me sir, could we please ask that you...." Isn't it blindingly obvious why they tried to handcuff him immediately? They were answering a call looking for a man with a knife! His resisting just made it worse![/p][/quote]I must have missed the bit where they said "Hello Sir, A knife has been reported so we need to search you. If you resist we are going to have to use force". Surely that would have been LESS dangerous for the police than attempting to handcuff him without explanation. Also from the description they initially sent a lone WPC to confront him. That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who seriously suspects the person of having a knife and being prepared to use it on police. I fully support the guys right to resist (but not attack the old bill) under these circumstances.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Had the police officer followed your idea and he had a knife she could have been attacked! Also it makes it very clear that there was a male and a female officer at the scene. All he had to do was comply and it would have all been over in a couple of minutes, no harm done. Instead he wanted to act the big man in front of his friends and show little or no respect to the authorities.[/p][/quote]Except he /didn't/ have a knife... (or anything else illegal by the sounds of it). He was an innocent citizen. Im not sure id want to approach a knifeman, even with a colleague in the nearby car.. doesnt add up. If they really thought he had a knife on which planet would they not have BOTH present cops approach hi,? It was just a corrupt copper who wanted to beat up a child. Probably to punish him for "attitude" which is understandable if he is innocent of all crimes. Id be p**sed off and uncooperative under these circumstances. Luckily in the UK corrupt cops are very rare (unlike some places) , and all the decent ones have just had their job made a little harder by this ******* ***** **** Demand an apology from the head cop at his station.[/p][/quote]Actually the not so innocent youth and "his" gang turned up at a young girls house to start trouble and tried to beat her up to which a member of public saw the trouble they were all causing and called the police! So demand an apology from the police hahaha... What a load of rubbish! They are doing their job of protecting the innocent from little wannabe gangster youths full of attitude.[/p][/quote]1) Where's the knife? 2) What's your source? UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 31

7:43pm Sun 9 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

Petras wrote:
Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.
So if police came over to you and tried to handcuff you for, as far as you know, no apparent reason without explaining their action in the slightest then you would just let them?
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: Seems to me that this lout deserved what he got. The police have a difficult job and if he resisted thier actions, whether innocent or guilty, he only has is own very stupid actions to blame. One day he might grow into a man and except that rather than running to Mummy and the papers. But that day seems a very long way off for this child.[/p][/quote]So if police came over to you and tried to handcuff you for, as far as you know, no apparent reason without explaining their action in the slightest then you would just let them? UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 33

6:46pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mr kent says...

londons finest at it again ah ,,,,the met will never change bullys with a uniform picking on kids AGAIN ! nothings changed from the days of the spg vans in the 80s they used to stop kids on the street and give them a sly dig when noone was looking and before you socalled dogooders say it,, most of them kids were very innocent to,, i know of a few friends who ended up with black eyes and the odd brocken arm in them days around woolwich and plumstead and they 100% did nothing wrong and thats a fact !!
londons finest at it again ah ,,,,the met will never change bullys with a uniform picking on kids AGAIN ! nothings changed from the days of the spg vans in the 80s they used to stop kids on the street and give them a sly dig when noone was looking and before you socalled dogooders say it,, most of them kids were very innocent to,, i know of a few friends who ended up with black eyes and the odd brocken arm in them days around woolwich and plumstead and they 100% did nothing wrong and thats a fact !! mr kent
  • Score: 32

7:56pm Mon 10 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

And yet still no answer, i rest my case.

So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it.

See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution.
And yet still no answer, i rest my case. So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it. See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution. toomush2drink
  • Score: -23

1:23am Tue 11 Mar 14

UsernameInvalid says...

toomush2drink wrote:
And yet still no answer, i rest my case.

So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it.

See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution.
How about the way they are trained to deal with it? Handcuffing a person suspected of carrying a weapon does make perfect sense, but the way they went about doing it that was wrong. If the police want to detain and search someone then they have to follow the correct procedures, which are in place to protect both the police and the public. As for offering a safe solution, I don't think there really is any safe alternative for dealing with someone armed with a knife, but they do have their training, backup, and stab proof vests. Also, if someone is suspected of carrying a weapon then charging straight in trying to handcuff them and making them feel threatened and therefore more likely to try and use it on me is probably not such a great idea.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: And yet still no answer, i rest my case. So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it. See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution.[/p][/quote]How about the way they are trained to deal with it? Handcuffing a person suspected of carrying a weapon does make perfect sense, but the way they went about doing it that was wrong. If the police want to detain and search someone then they have to follow the correct procedures, which are in place to protect both the police and the public. As for offering a safe solution, I don't think there really is any safe alternative for dealing with someone armed with a knife, but they do have their training, backup, and stab proof vests. Also, if someone is suspected of carrying a weapon then charging straight in trying to handcuff them and making them feel threatened and therefore more likely to try and use it on me is probably not such a great idea. UsernameInvalid
  • Score: 42

3:26pm Tue 11 Mar 14

TrueBadBoy says...

london10 wrote:
If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting
Are you for real or just Forest Gump ?
Let me educate you on freedoms .... you are innocent until proven guilty, the boy was proved to not have the knife so he was an innocent bystander at all times. The police have to have "reasonable" grounds for searching anyone ... the reasonable grounds are not everyone within an area JUST on the say so of someone having a knife. More likely the officer didn't like the way the boy reacted and reactions of disdain are certainly not grounds for arrest. You have been sociably conditioned to think this act was the boys fault and totally conditioned to think that the police and law are more important than innocence .... for innocence is what the law is there to uphold, not repress because you don't like the way an innocent person reacts to being accused of something he is found to be totally innocent of !
[quote][p][bold]london10[/bold] wrote: If he hadnt of resisted it wouldnt have happened. Being innocent is no excuse for resisting[/p][/quote]Are you for real or just Forest Gump ? Let me educate you on freedoms .... you are innocent until proven guilty, the boy was proved to not have the knife so he was an innocent bystander at all times. The police have to have "reasonable" grounds for searching anyone ... the reasonable grounds are not everyone within an area JUST on the say so of someone having a knife. More likely the officer didn't like the way the boy reacted and reactions of disdain are certainly not grounds for arrest. You have been sociably conditioned to think this act was the boys fault and totally conditioned to think that the police and law are more important than innocence .... for innocence is what the law is there to uphold, not repress because you don't like the way an innocent person reacts to being accused of something he is found to be totally innocent of ! TrueBadBoy
  • Score: 29

4:52pm Tue 11 Mar 14

toomush2drink says...

UsernameInvalid wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
And yet still no answer, i rest my case.

So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it.

See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution.
How about the way they are trained to deal with it? Handcuffing a person suspected of carrying a weapon does make perfect sense, but the way they went about doing it that was wrong. If the police want to detain and search someone then they have to follow the correct procedures, which are in place to protect both the police and the public. As for offering a safe solution, I don't think there really is any safe alternative for dealing with someone armed with a knife, but they do have their training, backup, and stab proof vests. Also, if someone is suspected of carrying a weapon then charging straight in trying to handcuff them and making them feel threatened and therefore more likely to try and use it on me is probably not such a great idea.
So you agree there is no safe alternative and that handcuffing them makes perfect sense ?

A stab proof vest doesnt stop a lethal stab to the leg or neck.

Giving the person time to think gives them a window of opportunity to tuse the knife,get in there quick and cuff them and they dont ,in most cases, have to time to use the knife.

Ive dealt with someone carrying a knife and he had it in his hand in his pocket the whole time i was speaking to him.When i informed the coppers with me the first thing they did was grab his arms and thats when they discovered it.

He didnt realise i was aware he was holding it but could see the outline and just had to time it right when i told the coppers so he couldnt try and use it.

Trust me if it wasnt for these people out there doing this job it would be a lot worse out there on the streets.So easy to be a critic but try going out and working with them to see what they are up against on a daily basis.
[quote][p][bold]UsernameInvalid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: And yet still no answer, i rest my case. So for many on here the coppers did the wrong thing but no one has offered an alternative SAFE way of dealing with it. See its easy to be a critic but not so easy to do what the police have to do in a way that keeps you safe or offer you would all offer an alernative solution.[/p][/quote]How about the way they are trained to deal with it? Handcuffing a person suspected of carrying a weapon does make perfect sense, but the way they went about doing it that was wrong. If the police want to detain and search someone then they have to follow the correct procedures, which are in place to protect both the police and the public. As for offering a safe solution, I don't think there really is any safe alternative for dealing with someone armed with a knife, but they do have their training, backup, and stab proof vests. Also, if someone is suspected of carrying a weapon then charging straight in trying to handcuff them and making them feel threatened and therefore more likely to try and use it on me is probably not such a great idea.[/p][/quote]So you agree there is no safe alternative and that handcuffing them makes perfect sense ? A stab proof vest doesnt stop a lethal stab to the leg or neck. Giving the person time to think gives them a window of opportunity to tuse the knife,get in there quick and cuff them and they dont ,in most cases, have to time to use the knife. Ive dealt with someone carrying a knife and he had it in his hand in his pocket the whole time i was speaking to him.When i informed the coppers with me the first thing they did was grab his arms and thats when they discovered it. He didnt realise i was aware he was holding it but could see the outline and just had to time it right when i told the coppers so he couldnt try and use it. Trust me if it wasnt for these people out there doing this job it would be a lot worse out there on the streets.So easy to be a critic but try going out and working with them to see what they are up against on a daily basis. toomush2drink
  • Score: -27

7:47pm Sat 15 Mar 14

tattman says...

The metropolitan police...... aka rent a thug !
The metropolitan police...... aka rent a thug ! tattman
  • Score: 16

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