Bromley Conservative councillor confirms he is defecting to UKIP

This Is Local London: Councillor Julian Grainger will stand for UKIP in the upcoming borough council elections Councillor Julian Grainger will stand for UKIP in the upcoming borough council elections

Bromley Conservative councillor Julian Grainger has confirmed he will stand for UKIP in the upcoming borough council elections.

Councillor Grainger, of the Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom ward, told colleagues yesterday he would stand against Conservative candidates in the elections on May 22.

A Bromley Conservatives spokesman said: "This is a clear violation of Conservative Party rules and the officers of Orpington Conservative Association have moved to expel him from the Conservative Party.  

"He has likewise been removed from membership of the Bromley Council’s Conservative Group.

"Councillor Grainger was not due to be a Conservative candidate in May, as he had failed in his application to be approved as a party candidate.

"The selection of new Conservative candidates in the Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom ward was completed last year and the group continue to support this excellent team in their work on behalf of local residents."

News Shopper is waiting for a full statement from Councillor Grainger.

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8:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Petras says...

This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies. Petras

9:37pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Is that a syrup or just a bad hair day ?

WTF, sort it out will ya.
Is that a syrup or just a bad hair day ? WTF, sort it out will ya. Gypo.Joe

9:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Paul Oakley says...

Very pleased to have Julian come over to UKIP. Further proof that the Tories are dying on their feet.
Very pleased to have Julian come over to UKIP. Further proof that the Tories are dying on their feet. Paul Oakley

9:40pm Thu 27 Feb 14

white rabbit9 says...

I just love the brain dead people who actually believe policies are there to change the world for the better when If you look at history and NOW, why do things only get worse? The system of government where everyone knows everyone and went to the same schools of education people think there is change, it's pathetic!! Like American presidents, they all went to the same bohemian grove and drank arguing who is going to president next.
I just love the brain dead people who actually believe policies are there to change the world for the better when If you look at history and NOW, why do things only get worse? The system of government where everyone knows everyone and went to the same schools of education people think there is change, it's pathetic!! Like American presidents, they all went to the same bohemian grove and drank arguing who is going to president next. white rabbit9

11:05pm Thu 27 Feb 14

De-Con says...

Petras wrote:
This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
To Petras who said:
"He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards."
Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed.

"So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too."
Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward De-Con

4:29am Fri 28 Feb 14

Petras says...

De-Con wrote:
Petras wrote:
This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
To Petras who said:
"He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards."
Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed.

"So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too."
Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward
How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member.

Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.
[quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward[/p][/quote]How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable. Petras

9:50am Fri 28 Feb 14

PaulErith says...

Petras wrote:
De-Con wrote:
Petras wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward
How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.
Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor.
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward[/p][/quote]How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.[/p][/quote]Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor. PaulErith

10:16am Fri 28 Feb 14

BickleyBoy says...

Paul Oakley wrote:
Very pleased to have Julian come over to UKIP. Further proof that the Tories are dying on their feet.
Surely this just proves that UKIP is just a repository for failed disaffected Tory malcontents!
[quote][p][bold]Paul Oakley[/bold] wrote: Very pleased to have Julian come over to UKIP. Further proof that the Tories are dying on their feet.[/p][/quote]Surely this just proves that UKIP is just a repository for failed disaffected Tory malcontents! BickleyBoy

11:15am Fri 28 Feb 14

Tongue in Cheek says...

Petras wrote:
This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up!
Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe!
So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool!
The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again!
Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians!
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up! Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe! So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool! The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again! Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians! Tongue in Cheek

12:29pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Cllr Colin Smith says...

For the avoidence of doubt.

I am not "Bickley Boy" !

Kind regards

Cllr Colin P Smith
Bickley Ward
For the avoidence of doubt. I am not "Bickley Boy" ! Kind regards Cllr Colin P Smith Bickley Ward Cllr Colin Smith

1:08pm Fri 28 Feb 14

BickleyBoy says...

Tongue in Cheek wrote:
Petras wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up! Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe! So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool! The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again! Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians!
Of course immigration and EU matters are national political issues whereas our local conservative councillors are responsible for more mundane matters like keeping the streets clean, bins empty, parks maintained, etc, etc, etc .... all at a reasonable cost.

And it is reassuring to know that in that regard our local conservative councillors are doing a fantastic job and have the lowest council tax in outer London! Three cheers for our well run council, managed by excellent Conservative councillors!
[quote][p][bold]Tongue in Cheek[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up! Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe! So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool! The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again! Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians![/p][/quote]Of course immigration and EU matters are national political issues whereas our local conservative councillors are responsible for more mundane matters like keeping the streets clean, bins empty, parks maintained, etc, etc, etc .... all at a reasonable cost. And it is reassuring to know that in that regard our local conservative councillors are doing a fantastic job and have the lowest council tax in outer London! Three cheers for our well run council, managed by excellent Conservative councillors! BickleyBoy

1:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Gypo.Joe says...

BickleyBoy wrote:
Tongue in Cheek wrote:
Petras wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up! Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe! So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool! The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again! Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians!
Of course immigration and EU matters are national political issues whereas our local conservative councillors are responsible for more mundane matters like keeping the streets clean, bins empty, parks maintained, etc, etc, etc .... all at a reasonable cost.

And it is reassuring to know that in that regard our local conservative councillors are doing a fantastic job and have the lowest council tax in outer London! Three cheers for our well run council, managed by excellent Conservative councillors!
I second that !
[quote][p][bold]BickleyBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tongue in Cheek[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. What "standards" are they then? David Cameron "promised" to cut net migration when in fact it has gone up! Cameron was even slapped down by angela merkel in the Commons yest, his jaw hit the floor when merkel told him & the rest of the other tory clowns that the Uk would NOT get any of the concessions they promised the British public they would get in Europe! So it looks like the ONLY failures are those in the Tory party with Clegg & Co scuppering every move there is on immigration, Vince Cable (Lib Dems) was even saying that it was good that net migration had gone up! only those who support more immigration look at it as a way of keeping British wages down by employing foreigners as a cheap labour tool! The Tories cant do anything about controlling immigration in to the Uk, they have failed the British public yet again! Everyone I meet is saying they will vote Ukip or Bnp from now on, these political parties have lied & cheated the voting public time & time again! time to cut away the failed Tories Lib Dems & Labour politicians![/p][/quote]Of course immigration and EU matters are national political issues whereas our local conservative councillors are responsible for more mundane matters like keeping the streets clean, bins empty, parks maintained, etc, etc, etc .... all at a reasonable cost. And it is reassuring to know that in that regard our local conservative councillors are doing a fantastic job and have the lowest council tax in outer London! Three cheers for our well run council, managed by excellent Conservative councillors![/p][/quote]I second that ! Gypo.Joe

9:44pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Petras says...

PaulErith wrote:
Petras wrote:
De-Con wrote:
Petras wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward
How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.
Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor.
You are only partly right. The ballot paper said his name and the words 'The Conservative Party'. The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide. But he won't probably do the honest and moral thing because the income he gets from the council is more important that democracy in his view.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward[/p][/quote]How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.[/p][/quote]Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor.[/p][/quote]You are only partly right. The ballot paper said his name and the words 'The Conservative Party'. The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide. But he won't probably do the honest and moral thing because the income he gets from the council is more important that democracy in his view. Petras

8:56am Sat 1 Mar 14

bearded jogger says...

Petras wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Petras wrote:
De-Con wrote:
Petras wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.
To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward
How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.
Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor.
You are only partly right. The ballot paper said his name and the words 'The Conservative Party'. The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide. But he won't probably do the honest and moral thing because the income he gets from the council is more important that democracy in his view.
balderdash! nick clegg decieved the electorate by doing a u-turn on tuition fees once he was elected, dave cameron did a u-turn on Europe with his "straight in or out" referendum, dave also promised as someone else has said on here on "reducing immigration" now we find out that the European referendum will only be allowed if we vote him in a second time! lol


what are Conservative values that you speak highly of?

I dont remember him promising to give billions of british tax payers cash away to countries who some have their own "space programes" ?

I dont see cameron helping to protect the flood victims in our country yet he wants to help foreign countries!

cameron and clegg have signed up to trade deals with China destroying british industry while China has a shocking record on human rights issues? is that the "values" you speak off?

85% of the british population have had enough of non stop immiration to our country yet they are fooled each time an election comes around by listening to those who say they will get to grips with the problem and then do nothing about it once elected!

I would like to see Nick and Nigel replace Dave and Nick and see if that works! lol
[quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Petras[/bold] wrote: This is just sour grapes by Councillor Grainger. He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards. So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too. So he takes his bat and ball to UKIP because no one else will have him. Just proves UKIP is home for a bunch of failures with no real policies.[/p][/quote]To Petras who said: "He failed to be selected because the local Conservative party did not feel he was up to their standards." Wrong. He was highly praised for his constituency work - but refused to be blackmailed. "So he tried for other conservative seats and failed there too." Wrong. He was Approved in Beckenham but didn't apply to any Ward[/p][/quote]How daft. Why apply elsewhere, ie Beckenham if you don't intend to stand? Praise for his Constituency work. Maybe true but does not make him fit to be a Conservative candidate when he cannot satisfy the local party that he has conservative values and will play as a team member. Presumably as he was elected as a Conservative, has been supported by the Conservative party and clearly the good people of Chelsfield and Pratts Bottom wanted Conservative councillors he will immediately resign his seat on Bromley Council and give the electors a chance to see if they want a UKIP councillor if he believes in democracy that would be the honourable thing to do. But suspect he won't as his salary of about £1,000 per month will be more important than doing what's honourable.[/p][/quote]Can't agree about him needing to resign. You have fallen into the common misconception that when you vote, you're voting for a party. That's wrong. You vote for an individual who may happen to currently align his views to a particular political party. He has the right to change that alignment or become independent if none of the parties fit his views any more. So there's no such thing as voting for UKIP councillor or a Conservative councillor.[/p][/quote]You are only partly right. The ballot paper said his name and the words 'The Conservative Party'. The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide. But he won't probably do the honest and moral thing because the income he gets from the council is more important that democracy in his view.[/p][/quote]balderdash! nick clegg decieved the electorate by doing a u-turn on tuition fees once he was elected, dave cameron did a u-turn on Europe with his "straight in or out" referendum, dave also promised as someone else has said on here on "reducing immigration" now we find out that the European referendum will only be allowed if we vote him in a second time! lol what are Conservative values that you speak highly of? I dont remember him promising to give billions of british tax payers cash away to countries who some have their own "space programes" ? I dont see cameron helping to protect the flood victims in our country yet he wants to help foreign countries! cameron and clegg have signed up to trade deals with China destroying british industry while China has a shocking record on human rights issues? is that the "values" you speak off? 85% of the british population have had enough of non stop immiration to our country yet they are fooled each time an election comes around by listening to those who say they will get to grips with the problem and then do nothing about it once elected! I would like to see Nick and Nigel replace Dave and Nick and see if that works! lol bearded jogger

11:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

PopulistAllianceParty says...

I knew Julian Grainger during the late 1980's until 1992, when I left the Conservative Party in protest at the Maastricht Treaty. One of the issues we used to argue about was Britain's relationship with "Europe". I was for withdrawal and he was staunchly in favour. I decided against joining the anti-Federalist League, which became the UKIP, as I had seen the damage that free-market policies (which I had initially supported) had done to ordinary workers. My suspicion was that UKIP wanted more, not less "free-market", and this view has been vindicated by the people who are joining them. Yes, there are non-Tories joining, but most of their MEP candidates are former Conservative activists. To be fair, this represents a massive decision for Julian Grainger, as the Tories have been his life for many years. We need a party that is anti-EU and anti-mass immigration but not one which is a Thatcherite offshoot, which is what I fear UKIP to be morphing into. I'll vote UKIP for now, but will continue the task of building a Populist alternative within the Populist Alliance as we seek to stand candidates on a platform of economic protectionism, anti-globalisation and ecology. We need a party that will tackle the cost of living crisis. That means supporting controls on rents, transport fares and the replacement of VAT with import tax so that the goods we make are cheaper than imported goods. Taxing currency transfer heavily so that the money people make in the UK is spent in the UK. and not transferred overseas to be spent abroad would create a windfall to be used to reduce tax on small business (many of which perish within their first few years). There are so many things to be fixed in broken Britain, but UKIP are not the long term answer, due to their ideological opposition to any form of economic intervention. - Russell White - Populist Alliance.
I knew Julian Grainger during the late 1980's until 1992, when I left the Conservative Party in protest at the Maastricht Treaty. One of the issues we used to argue about was Britain's relationship with "Europe". I was for withdrawal and he was staunchly in favour. I decided against joining the anti-Federalist League, which became the UKIP, as I had seen the damage that free-market policies (which I had initially supported) had done to ordinary workers. My suspicion was that UKIP wanted more, not less "free-market", and this view has been vindicated by the people who are joining them. Yes, there are non-Tories joining, but most of their MEP candidates are former Conservative activists. To be fair, this represents a massive decision for Julian Grainger, as the Tories have been his life for many years. We need a party that is anti-EU and anti-mass immigration but not one which is a Thatcherite offshoot, which is what I fear UKIP to be morphing into. I'll vote UKIP for now, but will continue the task of building a Populist alternative within the Populist Alliance as we seek to stand candidates on a platform of economic protectionism, anti-globalisation and ecology. We need a party that will tackle the cost of living crisis. That means supporting controls on rents, transport fares and the replacement of VAT with import tax so that the goods we make are cheaper than imported goods. Taxing currency transfer heavily so that the money people make in the UK is spent in the UK. and not transferred overseas to be spent abroad would create a windfall to be used to reduce tax on small business (many of which perish within their first few years). There are so many things to be fixed in broken Britain, but UKIP are not the long term answer, due to their ideological opposition to any form of economic intervention. - Russell White - Populist Alliance. PopulistAllianceParty

10:22am Mon 3 Mar 14

De-Con says...

Petras said:
"The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate.
If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide."

Others have pointed out that the "values" of the Conservative Party have changed. Maybe Cllr Grainger's values ares still what the majority of Chelsfield & Pratts Bottom want.

As for resigning - what's the point? Local Elections are in May.
A by-election would cost the taxpayer much more money.
Petras said: "The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide." Others have pointed out that the "values" of the Conservative Party have changed. Maybe Cllr Grainger's values ares still what the majority of Chelsfield & Pratts Bottom want. As for resigning - what's the point? Local Elections are in May. A by-election would cost the taxpayer much more money. De-Con

2:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Petras says...

De-Con wrote:
Petras said:
"The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate.
If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide."

Others have pointed out that the "values" of the Conservative Party have changed. Maybe Cllr Grainger's values ares still what the majority of Chelsfield & Pratts Bottom want.

As for resigning - what's the point? Local Elections are in May.
A by-election would cost the taxpayer much more money.
Wrong on a number of counts.

Firstly, frankly, his actions fully justify the reasons why the Conservatives did not approve him as a candidate. They did not believe he had, as I said earlier, conservative values. As he has joined another party it seems those views are fully vindicated.

If he did the decent thing and resigned there would not be costs of a by election as there wouldn't be one because we are too close to the actual election. However LBB and therefore the taxpayer would save about £3k but not paying a councillor who shouldn't, in my view, be there if he had one shred of being a democrate in him and will achieve nothing except drawing his salary.
[quote][p][bold]De-Con[/bold] wrote: Petras said: "The people of Cheksfield and Pratts Bottom therefore decided they wanted to be represented by a candidate who has Conservative party values. By joining another party he has said he no longer has those values and has decieved the electorate. If he believes the electorate wants a UKIP councillor then resign and let the people decide." Others have pointed out that the "values" of the Conservative Party have changed. Maybe Cllr Grainger's values ares still what the majority of Chelsfield & Pratts Bottom want. As for resigning - what's the point? Local Elections are in May. A by-election would cost the taxpayer much more money.[/p][/quote]Wrong on a number of counts. Firstly, frankly, his actions fully justify the reasons why the Conservatives did not approve him as a candidate. They did not believe he had, as I said earlier, conservative values. As he has joined another party it seems those views are fully vindicated. If he did the decent thing and resigned there would not be costs of a by election as there wouldn't be one because we are too close to the actual election. However LBB and therefore the taxpayer would save about £3k but not paying a councillor who shouldn't, in my view, be there if he had one shred of being a democrate in him and will achieve nothing except drawing his salary. Petras

2:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

De-Con says...

Petras said:
"They did not believe he had conservative values."

How you know what "they" believe - and how do you know that "values" was why he was not approved?
Petras said: "They did not believe he had conservative values." How you know what "they" believe - and how do you know that "values" was why he was not approved? De-Con

9:45pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Jzero. says...

It would seem from these comments that:

- The views of Councillor Grainger have been known to the Conservative Party for some time, long enough in fact for the local Conservative Party to decide he should not be a Conservative candidate in May. Presumably this decision gives an insight to the strength of their view on the continued membership of the European Union, a view that will be proudly displayed at the next elections?

- The local Conservative Party decision on selection was taken notwithstanding that Councillor Grainger had been highly praised for his constituency work.

Given that his constituents are pleased with his constituency work and that his feelings on Europe have been well known, why should this announcement cause him to resign? It merely recognises formally what was already well known.

The local Conservative Party will discover on May 22nd whether their stance on Councillor Grainger and on Europe is in accord with the wishes of his ward constituents.
It would seem from these comments that: - The views of Councillor Grainger have been known to the Conservative Party for some time, long enough in fact for the local Conservative Party to decide he should not be a Conservative candidate in May. Presumably this decision gives an insight to the strength of their view on the continued membership of the European Union, a view that will be proudly displayed at the next elections? - The local Conservative Party decision on selection was taken notwithstanding that Councillor Grainger had been highly praised for his constituency work. Given that his constituents are pleased with his constituency work and that his feelings on Europe have been well known, why should this announcement cause him to resign? It merely recognises formally what was already well known. The local Conservative Party will discover on May 22nd whether their stance on Councillor Grainger and on Europe is in accord with the wishes of his ward constituents. Jzero.

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