Huge £1.8million scheme to regenerate Sidcup starts on Monday

Huge £1.8million scheme to regenerate Sidcup starts on Monday

The junction at Church Road where the works will start.

The former Somerfields which is currently being re-developed into a gym.

The former Black Horse pub where the new adult education centre will open next month.

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A HUGE £1.8million project to regenerate Sidcup town centre starts on Monday.

The works, which will go on for approximately eight months, will see High Street changed to a one-way system where traffic will only be able to go westbound between Church Road towards Blockbusters.

Hadlow Road and Hatherley Road will be closed at separate times at the high street end for five to seven weeks each.

During each closure the remainder of the road will temporarily become two-way to allow residents to get into their homes.

The scheme will see new pavements, pedestrian crossings, new lighting and better access to public transport , shop fronts and space made for markets and events near the library in Hadlow Road.

Work will begin on Monday at the mini round about at the junction of Church Road and High Street.

Diversions will also be in place for buses via Elm Road and The Green/Church Road.

Businesses in the area have spoken of their concerns and how they want to see a better variety of shops in Sidcup rather than the roads and pavements being changed.

Batuk and Manjula Popat, have run the Sidcup News Box in High Street for 28 years and said a greater variety of shops needed to be brought into the town.

Mrs Popat said: "The roads and the pavement are fine.

"It is the diversity of shops in the high street which needs to be improved.

"We need to be bringing in new businesses which are not cafes, charity shops or hairdressers, there are enough of those in the high street.

"Our customers are not going to be very happy when the works are going on because they are going to cause months of disruption."

The manager of the Swanley Bakery, who didn't want to be named, added: "Lots of customers have come in and raised concerns about it.

"We don't know how bad the disruption is going to be, we will just have to wait and see."

The pavement will be widened outside the HSBC and the bus stop will be moved to give shoppers more space to walk on the pavements.

Hannah Thompson, project manager at Bexley Council for the Sidcup regeneration, said she had been out and about warning businesses of the impending works.

While the high street is shut off to just one-way traffic loading and unloading will be permitted as normal, off peak, within the areas which are not shut off for construction .

Conways, who are carrying out the improvements, will also have two marshalls on hand for shoppers to help them during the works.

A spokesman for Bexley Council also revealed there was a 17 per cent vacancy rate in the high street and now that is down to five per cent because of the work we have been doing with businesses encouraging them to come to Sidcup and set up."

It is hoped the new Adult Education Centre next to Waitrose will be open by February and that the new gym in the former Somerfields store will follow soon after.

A new shop run by Bexley Council will also be opening at 9 High Street and it will be a place where new businesses can rent a space and get started.

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6:23pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

When will they learn ? It doesn't matter how much you polish a turd it will still be a turd.
When will they learn ? It doesn't matter how much you polish a turd it will still be a turd. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 16

7:21pm Fri 17 Jan 14

mouthalmighty says...

Ditto Gypo.joe. this is going to make getting to queen marys even harder. What about parking? Where will we park? Morrison s are chocca most of the time.
Ditto Gypo.joe. this is going to make getting to queen marys even harder. What about parking? Where will we park? Morrison s are chocca most of the time. mouthalmighty
  • Score: -4

9:12pm Fri 17 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
When will they learn ? It doesn't matter how much you polish a turd it will still be a turd.
I've been trying to polish you up for years.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: When will they learn ? It doesn't matter how much you polish a turd it will still be a turd.[/p][/quote]I've been trying to polish you up for years. white rabbit9
  • Score: -8

10:10pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Womblingbarnacle says...

No point spending £1.8m if you've already allowed development of such poor quality buildings as that travelodge. It's a hulking grey mass with small windows. Where was the scrutiny at planning stage?

Rolling over to developers to build blots in town centres will do damage that can't easily be repaired.
No point spending £1.8m if you've already allowed development of such poor quality buildings as that travelodge. It's a hulking grey mass with small windows. Where was the scrutiny at planning stage? Rolling over to developers to build blots in town centres will do damage that can't easily be repaired. Womblingbarnacle
  • Score: 7

9:25am Sat 18 Jan 14

HearTheFacts says...

Bexley Council is missing the point, will 1.8 million spent on improved lighting and wider pavements etc. How will this regenerate Sidcup, yes it will look nice, but to the shops already there will it bring more trade?.

A lesson should be learnt from Bexleyheath, go up passed the Broadway shopping centre. Towards Welling and view the empty shops!. Yes that Bexley Councils idea of regeneration!. Many shops closed because of lost business, during Bexley Council hair brain road layout.

Sidcup needs a shops, but also customers. Questions must be addressed firstly, why and how the down turn happened. This is not only Sidcup but many other shopping areas. The biggest loss to local shops, is that people used to shop daily. Cars were rare, so walking or by bus. However the clock cannot be turned back.
Bexley Council is missing the point, will 1.8 million spent on improved lighting and wider pavements etc. How will this regenerate Sidcup, yes it will look nice, but to the shops already there will it bring more trade?. A lesson should be learnt from Bexleyheath, go up passed the Broadway shopping centre. Towards Welling and view the empty shops!. Yes that Bexley Councils idea of regeneration!. Many shops closed because of lost business, during Bexley Council hair brain road layout. Sidcup needs a shops, but also customers. Questions must be addressed firstly, why and how the down turn happened. This is not only Sidcup but many other shopping areas. The biggest loss to local shops, is that people used to shop daily. Cars were rare, so walking or by bus. However the clock cannot be turned back. HearTheFacts
  • Score: 7

10:30am Sat 18 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

So will this scheme be anything like Bexleyheaths? I used to enjoy driving to Bexleyheath to shop, not any more, it's a nightmare.

I have no idea what shopping at Sidcup is like, only went there once, and that seemed dreary then. If you want to regenerate the area, do something about some decent small businesses being able to open up shops there and bring in custom, oh and decent parking too - uncharged of course.
So will this scheme be anything like Bexleyheaths? I used to enjoy driving to Bexleyheath to shop, not any more, it's a nightmare. I have no idea what shopping at Sidcup is like, only went there once, and that seemed dreary then. If you want to regenerate the area, do something about some decent small businesses being able to open up shops there and bring in custom, oh and decent parking too - uncharged of course. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -5

10:31am Sat 18 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

And give em back The Black Horse. Who needs another adult centre when you could have a good ole p*** up and a fight? Only joking. Would rather see a pub instead of yet another learning centre.
And give em back The Black Horse. Who needs another adult centre when you could have a good ole p*** up and a fight? Only joking. Would rather see a pub instead of yet another learning centre. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -18

11:24am Sat 18 Jan 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

As soon as you make the High Street One Way - Sidcup will be finished.

It's not broke - so don't spend £1.8m to fix it.

Drop the Bexley Coucil rates for shop-keepers and the place will flourish again.
Charity shops do not pay the full amount of rates - that's why they spring up everywhere.

It's not rocket science - drop the commercial rate charges and invite smaller businesses and shopkeeper to revitalise the town.
As soon as you make the High Street One Way - Sidcup will be finished. It's not broke - so don't spend £1.8m to fix it. Drop the Bexley Coucil rates for shop-keepers and the place will flourish again. Charity shops do not pay the full amount of rates - that's why they spring up everywhere. It's not rocket science - drop the commercial rate charges and invite smaller businesses and shopkeeper to revitalise the town. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 11

11:53am Sat 18 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Stop fooling yaselves these 'high streets' are done, it's over they are the past. As soon as any place allows a super store one of the big box super markets to build on the outskirts of town or build a mall / precinct it's the final nail in the coffin for these small shops. They cannot compete, end of story. Its only going to get worse with more and more online shopping, why would you go to any high street or mall when you order from Amazon or the like and have it at your door in days.
Stop fooling yaselves these 'high streets' are done, it's over they are the past. As soon as any place allows a super store one of the big box super markets to build on the outskirts of town or build a mall / precinct it's the final nail in the coffin for these small shops. They cannot compete, end of story. Its only going to get worse with more and more online shopping, why would you go to any high street or mall when you order from Amazon or the like and have it at your door in days. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 15

2:16pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Tinklebell says...

the big question is are they doing the foot paths and roads the same colour like bexleyheath Asda end. that is ridiculous as people who have sight problems have problems crossing the road. plus it is dangerous. put decent clothes and shoe shops there and people will go. get rid of all the hairdressers, charity shops and tanning salons and it will be a better place. what ever happened with wilkinsons?
the big question is are they doing the foot paths and roads the same colour like bexleyheath Asda end. that is ridiculous as people who have sight problems have problems crossing the road. plus it is dangerous. put decent clothes and shoe shops there and people will go. get rid of all the hairdressers, charity shops and tanning salons and it will be a better place. what ever happened with wilkinsons? Tinklebell
  • Score: 8

2:52pm Sat 18 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

Until lower rents and rates are introduced how can new business's start up when tough internet competition is in abundance ? Add to this ridiculous parking enforcment and its no wonder many high streets lose trade to out of town free parking shopping centers.

The oval sidcup for example has lots of flourishing shops because of the free parking.
Until lower rents and rates are introduced how can new business's start up when tough internet competition is in abundance ? Add to this ridiculous parking enforcment and its no wonder many high streets lose trade to out of town free parking shopping centers. The oval sidcup for example has lots of flourishing shops because of the free parking. toomush2drink
  • Score: 13

10:23am Sun 19 Jan 14

dag says...

Take note that Conway did the Orpington regeneration. How many times have they had to return to redo shoddy work, and Orpington still hasn't improved any.
Take note that Conway did the Orpington regeneration. How many times have they had to return to redo shoddy work, and Orpington still hasn't improved any. dag
  • Score: 5

10:23am Sun 19 Jan 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Yes, Blendon flourishes too (near the Shell garage) because of the nearby free parking.
Yes, Blendon flourishes too (near the Shell garage) because of the nearby free parking. The Fozziest of Bears
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Sun 19 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

dag wrote:
Take note that Conway did the Orpington regeneration. How many times have they had to return to redo shoddy work, and Orpington still hasn't improved any.
Orpington was perfect the way it was. Tesco's was to blame for the work in the first place. Who do I blame for this, look who owns TESCO'S!!
[quote][p][bold]dag[/bold] wrote: Take note that Conway did the Orpington regeneration. How many times have they had to return to redo shoddy work, and Orpington still hasn't improved any.[/p][/quote]Orpington was perfect the way it was. Tesco's was to blame for the work in the first place. Who do I blame for this, look who owns TESCO'S!! white rabbit9
  • Score: -8

5:04pm Sun 19 Jan 14

HearTheFacts says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Stop fooling yaselves these 'high streets' are done, it's over they are the past. As soon as any place allows a super store one of the big box super markets to build on the outskirts of town or build a mall / precinct it's the final nail in the coffin for these small shops. They cannot compete, end of story. Its only going to get worse with more and more online shopping, why would you go to any high street or mall when you order from Amazon or the like and have it at your door in days.
It depends if you want something now, or in few days time.

Buying online o.k , but you are still relying on the post a few days later.

Many shops have found they can complete with online companies. As postage is a big issue, but collecting it from the shop with no postage and you have the item then and here.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Stop fooling yaselves these 'high streets' are done, it's over they are the past. As soon as any place allows a super store one of the big box super markets to build on the outskirts of town or build a mall / precinct it's the final nail in the coffin for these small shops. They cannot compete, end of story. Its only going to get worse with more and more online shopping, why would you go to any high street or mall when you order from Amazon or the like and have it at your door in days.[/p][/quote]It depends if you want something now, or in few days time. Buying online o.k , but you are still relying on the post a few days later. Many shops have found they can complete with online companies. As postage is a big issue, but collecting it from the shop with no postage and you have the item then and here. HearTheFacts
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Bob Downondiss says...

"flourishing"
I would say more like tatty, run down take aways and paper shops, ( fags and sweets ) Odd chip shop, bakers maybe, now I'm struggling to name anything 'flourishing'.

Bluewater for me or online.
"flourishing" I would say more like tatty, run down take aways and paper shops, ( fags and sweets ) Odd chip shop, bakers maybe, now I'm struggling to name anything 'flourishing'. Bluewater for me or online. Bob Downondiss
  • Score: -1

8:43am Mon 20 Jan 14

drastic_inputs says...

8 months of misery for no discernable benefit. Good to know my council tax payments are being channelled into worthwhile projects. £1.8m well squandered.

What is it with the public sector and burning money? The NHS have made a complete hash of the hospitals in the area and now this.
8 months of misery for no discernable benefit. Good to know my council tax payments are being channelled into worthwhile projects. £1.8m well squandered. What is it with the public sector and burning money? The NHS have made a complete hash of the hospitals in the area and now this. drastic_inputs
  • Score: 3

12:23pm Mon 20 Jan 14

PaulErith says...

Tinklebell wrote:
the big question is are they doing the foot paths and roads the same colour like bexleyheath Asda end. that is ridiculous as people who have sight problems have problems crossing the road. plus it is dangerous. put decent clothes and shoe shops there and people will go. get rid of all the hairdressers, charity shops and tanning salons and it will be a better place. what ever happened with wilkinsons?
Agree about Bexleyheath. Whoever designed it is mad. The bit near Asda's is so dangerous. The first time I walked around the corner, I realised that I had wandered into the road slightly. Curbs have worked for many years! They clearly distinguish road and pavement. Who honestly thought it was a good idea to have no curbs and the same coloured paving slabs?
As for the junction near the police station....what's going on there? It's a "junction without priority" apparently. Again, what would have been wrong with a mini roundabout? Also there's signs showing pedestrians crossing but no zebra crossing - Still unsure if you're supposed to stop for pedestrians or not. What a mess!
[quote][p][bold]Tinklebell[/bold] wrote: the big question is are they doing the foot paths and roads the same colour like bexleyheath Asda end. that is ridiculous as people who have sight problems have problems crossing the road. plus it is dangerous. put decent clothes and shoe shops there and people will go. get rid of all the hairdressers, charity shops and tanning salons and it will be a better place. what ever happened with wilkinsons?[/p][/quote]Agree about Bexleyheath. Whoever designed it is mad. The bit near Asda's is so dangerous. The first time I walked around the corner, I realised that I had wandered into the road slightly. Curbs have worked for many years! They clearly distinguish road and pavement. Who honestly thought it was a good idea to have no curbs and the same coloured paving slabs? As for the junction near the police station....what's going on there? It's a "junction without priority" apparently. Again, what would have been wrong with a mini roundabout? Also there's signs showing pedestrians crossing but no zebra crossing - Still unsure if you're supposed to stop for pedestrians or not. What a mess! PaulErith
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Tue 21 Jan 14

kentlad says...

With super markets such as Tesco, Waitrose and Morrison’s on your door step providing every day essentials there isn’t really any need for individual food shops etc..... Other shops might survive if the local council and landlords stopped being greedy and lowered the rental and service charges of running a premises. The government statistics on internet shopping proves this is becoming very popular with customers and therefore local high street shops just don’t make the turnover they once did years.
I have recently done some work around Eltham, Sidcup, Dartford and Orpington and the amount of empty shops is actually quite depressing. The government need to do something major in order to keep the high streets thriving but, I’m sure this is not a priority!!!
With super markets such as Tesco, Waitrose and Morrison’s on your door step providing every day essentials there isn’t really any need for individual food shops etc..... Other shops might survive if the local council and landlords stopped being greedy and lowered the rental and service charges of running a premises. The government statistics on internet shopping proves this is becoming very popular with customers and therefore local high street shops just don’t make the turnover they once did years. I have recently done some work around Eltham, Sidcup, Dartford and Orpington and the amount of empty shops is actually quite depressing. The government need to do something major in order to keep the high streets thriving but, I’m sure this is not a priority!!! kentlad
  • Score: 0

11:13am Thu 23 Jan 14

Furious_1 says...

This scheme is not going to make any difference whatsoever. Sidcup needs far more imagination than a few trees and seating areas!! The nail bars, charity shops etc. needs to be cleared out! More parking needs to be provided instead of being decimated and we need real shops! We do not need a College or a Gymnasium - they should be situated elsewhere - not plonked in the middle of a so called High Street. Making Sidcup High Street one way will finish it off completely. Any one still shopping in Sidcup will definitely be going elsewhere. Who thought of this mad cap idea! Did anyone receive leaflets through their front door? I know I didn't. I will still shop in Bromley or Bluewater as they actually provide the shops most people require. I also object to having to travel completely out of my way to get to work and the thought of this travel situation for the next 8 months purely to achieve absolutely nothing at the end of it makes my blood boil it really does, plus costing me more as I am going out of my way as surely others must be doing also!
This scheme is not going to make any difference whatsoever. Sidcup needs far more imagination than a few trees and seating areas!! The nail bars, charity shops etc. needs to be cleared out! More parking needs to be provided instead of being decimated and we need real shops! We do not need a College or a Gymnasium - they should be situated elsewhere - not plonked in the middle of a so called High Street. Making Sidcup High Street one way will finish it off completely. Any one still shopping in Sidcup will definitely be going elsewhere. Who thought of this mad cap idea! Did anyone receive leaflets through their front door? I know I didn't. I will still shop in Bromley or Bluewater as they actually provide the shops most people require. I also object to having to travel completely out of my way to get to work and the thought of this travel situation for the next 8 months purely to achieve absolutely nothing at the end of it makes my blood boil it really does, plus costing me more as I am going out of my way as surely others must be doing also! Furious_1
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

What makes me laugh is that people who comment on 'how to make things better' with there opinions DON'T mean jack. What an absolute waste of time even bothering. Learn how the money is all controlled and you have not got 1 iota of making any difference.
What makes me laugh is that people who comment on 'how to make things better' with there opinions DON'T mean jack. What an absolute waste of time even bothering. Learn how the money is all controlled and you have not got 1 iota of making any difference. white rabbit9
  • Score: -20

3:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Furious_1 says...

While this ridiculous regeneration is going on what's going to happen to the existing businesses in the High Street? How are they going to survive? I feel really sorry for them. The Council talk about the new business opportunity - they should have thought about the pre-existing ones! There has been no thought about this scheme at all - no looking at the wider picture of what this will mean! The private car park near Morrisons - closed for the builders! So much for democracy - using rate payers' money to fund this without overall consultation!
While this ridiculous regeneration is going on what's going to happen to the existing businesses in the High Street? How are they going to survive? I feel really sorry for them. The Council talk about the new business opportunity - they should have thought about the pre-existing ones! There has been no thought about this scheme at all - no looking at the wider picture of what this will mean! The private car park near Morrisons - closed for the builders! So much for democracy - using rate payers' money to fund this without overall consultation! Furious_1
  • Score: 1

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