Controversial Tolworth Tesco plans set for Kingston Council debate

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Controversial plans to build a 4700sqm Tesco, a four-storey hotel and 269 flats on a Tolworth brownfield site will finally come before councillors.

The site, next to Charrington Bowl, would also include a restaurant, café, and more than 200 parking spaces each for the flats and the supermarket.

A fifth of flats would be designated affordable housing.

Residents are divided by the proposals, submitted a year and a half ago, with Kingston Council having received 50 letters of objection, but 87 in support.

Points of opposition included:

  • The new hotel and supermarket would threaten businesses in Tolworth Broadway
  • Traffic could increase
  • Already-high pollution would be made worse
  • The designs are out of character with the surrounding area

Supporters said they would welcome the generation of new jobs, and that the development would boost Tolworth’s appeal and levels of trade.

The Chessington District Residents’ Association, the Hook Rise South Residents’ Association, and the Kingston Society all oppose the plans.

Transport for London (TfL) objects on safety grounds, while council traffic engineers said more thought needed to be given to the development’s impact on nearby roads and residential parking.

Applicant Spenhill Ltd is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tesco.

The company has been involved with residential developments in Streatham and Woolwich, and commercial sites in West Bromwich and Sunderland.

South of the borough councillors will discuss the plans at a meeting at 7.30pm on Wednesday, January 15, at Southborough High School.

 

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1:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

kingstonpaul says...

1. The area does not need another superstore on this scale.
2. It certainly doesn't need another Tesco, which already has 100,000 sq ft+ of trading space one mile up the A3. As well as carpet bombing the area with lots of their wretched Tesco Metros.
3. Resist all arguments about economic benefits. Because these places don't actually grow the market (Why? Because as a nation we're not spending more on food), they simply 'displace' jobs, spend and investment from elsewhere.
1. The area does not need another superstore on this scale. 2. It certainly doesn't need another Tesco, which already has 100,000 sq ft+ of trading space one mile up the A3. As well as carpet bombing the area with lots of their wretched Tesco Metros. 3. Resist all arguments about economic benefits. Because these places don't actually grow the market (Why? Because as a nation we're not spending more on food), they simply 'displace' jobs, spend and investment from elsewhere. kingstonpaul

3:28pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Happy59 says...

I doubt very much if Tesco's plan going before the council on Wednesday has taken into account the impact on Tolworth and the surrounding area of the Greenway. The councillors should send it back and tell Tesco to re-file when they have.

In the meantime as a local resident I would welcome some form of pollution monitoring along the Greenway as the traffic seems to be at a standstill, engines running, for 90% of the day.
I doubt very much if Tesco's plan going before the council on Wednesday has taken into account the impact on Tolworth and the surrounding area of the Greenway. The councillors should send it back and tell Tesco to re-file when they have. In the meantime as a local resident I would welcome some form of pollution monitoring along the Greenway as the traffic seems to be at a standstill, engines running, for 90% of the day. Happy59

3:46pm Thu 9 Jan 14

pinky107 says...

very much againts as are most of tolworth residence . it's bad enough with the crap greenway and the bad traffic since that rubbish was built without even more traffic for another tescos when there is a huge store 2 miles away . funny how the greenway was recently finnished , which was part of tescos design and now another meeting about the tesco site bit of a coincidence there i think . yet more dodgy coniving goings on by councillors .
very much againts as are most of tolworth residence . it's bad enough with the crap greenway and the bad traffic since that rubbish was built without even more traffic for another tescos when there is a huge store 2 miles away . funny how the greenway was recently finnished , which was part of tescos design and now another meeting about the tesco site bit of a coincidence there i think . yet more dodgy coniving goings on by councillors . pinky107

4:23pm Thu 9 Jan 14

pinky107 says...

any one else find it starnge that the minute greenway is completed ( i use the term very loosely as it looks like a building site ) that a TESCOS meeting is on the cards yet again ?
any one else find it starnge that the minute greenway is completed ( i use the term very loosely as it looks like a building site ) that a TESCOS meeting is on the cards yet again ? pinky107

4:28pm Thu 9 Jan 14

DB says...

kingstonpaul wrote:
1. The area does not need another superstore on this scale. 2. It certainly doesn't need another Tesco, which already has 100,000 sq ft+ of trading space one mile up the A3. As well as carpet bombing the area with lots of their wretched Tesco Metros. 3. Resist all arguments about economic benefits. Because these places don't actually grow the market (Why? Because as a nation we're not spending more on food), they simply 'displace' jobs, spend and investment from elsewhere.
Good post.

I can't understand why we are even considering building more retail space at a time when the move to online shopping has created such an over-supply already. If current trends continue, half of Kingston and Surbiton's retail space will be empty in 20 years time anyway. What are we going to do with these massive buildings every two miles on major roads like the A3?

As Paul says, Tesco seem to have a 'build it and they will come' approach, but where are the customers actually going to come from? The population may be growing, but not at a higher rate than people are defecting online for their main weekly shop and Tesco & Sainsbury's themselves are hiving off a lot of the smaller shoppers themselves with their local stores.

Sainsbury's seem to have done well with their local store at Surbiton station, which is always busy, but where have those customers actually come from? I'd say at least 75% have come from their own store further down the road and the rest may be hived off from Waitrose/M&S/indepen
dents. It is a zero sum game, but at least that venture didn't require the construction of a brand new building.
[quote][p][bold]kingstonpaul[/bold] wrote: 1. The area does not need another superstore on this scale. 2. It certainly doesn't need another Tesco, which already has 100,000 sq ft+ of trading space one mile up the A3. As well as carpet bombing the area with lots of their wretched Tesco Metros. 3. Resist all arguments about economic benefits. Because these places don't actually grow the market (Why? Because as a nation we're not spending more on food), they simply 'displace' jobs, spend and investment from elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Good post. I can't understand why we are even considering building more retail space at a time when the move to online shopping has created such an over-supply already. If current trends continue, half of Kingston and Surbiton's retail space will be empty in 20 years time anyway. What are we going to do with these massive buildings every two miles on major roads like the A3? As Paul says, Tesco seem to have a 'build it and they will come' approach, but where are the customers actually going to come from? The population may be growing, but not at a higher rate than people are defecting online for their main weekly shop and Tesco & Sainsbury's themselves are hiving off a lot of the smaller shoppers themselves with their local stores. Sainsbury's seem to have done well with their local store at Surbiton station, which is always busy, but where have those customers actually come from? I'd say at least 75% have come from their own store further down the road and the rest may be hived off from Waitrose/M&S/indepen dents. It is a zero sum game, but at least that venture didn't require the construction of a brand new building. DB

4:34pm Thu 9 Jan 14

DB says...

Also, it looks as though parking has been overlooked as normal. 200 spaces for a Tesco store about half the size of that in New Malden seems very low.

Another 200 for the flats is not even one per unit. Perhaps that is fine if living in central Kingston or Surbiton, but people living in this development are more likely to need a car if they are going further than Tesco or Tolworth station. There is certainly nowhere else to park around there.
Also, it looks as though parking has been overlooked as normal. 200 spaces for a Tesco store about half the size of that in New Malden seems very low. Another 200 for the flats is not even one per unit. Perhaps that is fine if living in central Kingston or Surbiton, but people living in this development are more likely to need a car if they are going further than Tesco or Tolworth station. There is certainly nowhere else to park around there. DB

8:01pm Thu 9 Jan 14

K and P Wells says...

Please build it, more jobs and wealth to Tolworth.
Please build it, more jobs and wealth to Tolworth. K and P Wells

9:38am Fri 10 Jan 14

DB says...

K and P Wells wrote:
Please build it, more jobs and wealth to Tolworth.
Could you elaborate? The jobs that this scheme would create would be primarily of the minimum wage shelf stacker/cashier type with a few managerial positions that Tesco would likely fill with experienced staff from other branches.

The price for a standard house in Tolworth is now pushing £500k, so I just don't understand how people living there would benefit from a £6 per hour job.

Also, what will happen to the Broadway? It already struggles to attract decent shops and I just can't agree with the view that having a massive superstore on the other side of the A3 will drive more shoppers there. Surely it has to be the opposite?

In reality, the Tesco plan might have some benefit to people outside of Tolworth in that they won't have to travel the extra 2 miles to New Malden, but I can't see any other benefit to the residents themselves.
[quote][p][bold]K and P Wells[/bold] wrote: Please build it, more jobs and wealth to Tolworth.[/p][/quote]Could you elaborate? The jobs that this scheme would create would be primarily of the minimum wage shelf stacker/cashier type with a few managerial positions that Tesco would likely fill with experienced staff from other branches. The price for a standard house in Tolworth is now pushing £500k, so I just don't understand how people living there would benefit from a £6 per hour job. Also, what will happen to the Broadway? It already struggles to attract decent shops and I just can't agree with the view that having a massive superstore on the other side of the A3 will drive more shoppers there. Surely it has to be the opposite? In reality, the Tesco plan might have some benefit to people outside of Tolworth in that they won't have to travel the extra 2 miles to New Malden, but I can't see any other benefit to the residents themselves. DB

11:41am Fri 10 Jan 14

Happy59 says...

If I remember correctly it was said that M&S on the Broadway would attract more shoppers and more variety of shops to the Broadway. I have lived in the area over 30 years - M&S has been there just over 20 - and I cannot see any discernable difference in the types of shops along the Broadway or the number of people using anything other than M&S.

Tescos would have an even worse effect I can't imagine many people would cross the A3 to get to the shops on the Broadway and for those of us who use these shops getting to them will be a nightmare - even worse than it is now with the Greenway nonsense - due to the additional traffic of shoppers trying to get to Tescos.

I think the council is trying to destroy Tolworth, as they have with Hook and Chessington - watch out Surbiton you'll be next - so we all have to go to the hellhole that is Kingston to shop.
If I remember correctly it was said that M&S on the Broadway would attract more shoppers and more variety of shops to the Broadway. I have lived in the area over 30 years - M&S has been there just over 20 - and I cannot see any discernable difference in the types of shops along the Broadway or the number of people using anything other than M&S. Tescos would have an even worse effect I can't imagine many people would cross the A3 to get to the shops on the Broadway and for those of us who use these shops getting to them will be a nightmare - even worse than it is now with the Greenway nonsense - due to the additional traffic of shoppers trying to get to Tescos. I think the council is trying to destroy Tolworth, as they have with Hook and Chessington - watch out Surbiton you'll be next - so we all have to go to the hellhole that is Kingston to shop. Happy59

12:36pm Fri 10 Jan 14

kingstonpaul says...

One further point to make is that this land grab is also about keeping competitors at bay. In the case of Tesco and Sainsbury, they’re running scared of Morrisons getting a toe-hold in the area.

Indeed if it were a Morrisons applying to develop the site, I’d feel better disposed towards this development as it opens up choice. Another Tesco, I’m afraid, does the absolute opposite.
One further point to make is that this land grab is also about keeping competitors at bay. In the case of Tesco and Sainsbury, they’re running scared of Morrisons getting a toe-hold in the area. Indeed if it were a Morrisons applying to develop the site, I’d feel better disposed towards this development as it opens up choice. Another Tesco, I’m afraid, does the absolute opposite. kingstonpaul

2:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

DB says...

Happy59 wrote:
If I remember correctly it was said that M&S on the Broadway would attract more shoppers and more variety of shops to the Broadway. I have lived in the area over 30 years - M&S has been there just over 20 - and I cannot see any discernable difference in the types of shops along the Broadway or the number of people using anything other than M&S. Tescos would have an even worse effect I can't imagine many people would cross the A3 to get to the shops on the Broadway and for those of us who use these shops getting to them will be a nightmare - even worse than it is now with the Greenway nonsense - due to the additional traffic of shoppers trying to get to Tescos. I think the council is trying to destroy Tolworth, as they have with Hook and Chessington - watch out Surbiton you'll be next - so we all have to go to the hellhole that is Kingston to shop.
The main way in which the council is crushing the smaller centres in the borough is by charging too high business rates for the footfall generated.

Why would anyone set up shop in Tolworth or Surbiton when the difference in business rates compared to Kingston is much smaller than the difference in footfall. Kingston is a succesful, large, regional shopping centre. Tolworth and Surbiton are much more local centres and there are a limited number of retailers who can survive there anyway, especially with the rates problem.

Good point about M&S. It looks totally out of place on the Broadway. Does it seem to do good business itself?
[quote][p][bold]Happy59[/bold] wrote: If I remember correctly it was said that M&S on the Broadway would attract more shoppers and more variety of shops to the Broadway. I have lived in the area over 30 years - M&S has been there just over 20 - and I cannot see any discernable difference in the types of shops along the Broadway or the number of people using anything other than M&S. Tescos would have an even worse effect I can't imagine many people would cross the A3 to get to the shops on the Broadway and for those of us who use these shops getting to them will be a nightmare - even worse than it is now with the Greenway nonsense - due to the additional traffic of shoppers trying to get to Tescos. I think the council is trying to destroy Tolworth, as they have with Hook and Chessington - watch out Surbiton you'll be next - so we all have to go to the hellhole that is Kingston to shop.[/p][/quote]The main way in which the council is crushing the smaller centres in the borough is by charging too high business rates for the footfall generated. Why would anyone set up shop in Tolworth or Surbiton when the difference in business rates compared to Kingston is much smaller than the difference in footfall. Kingston is a succesful, large, regional shopping centre. Tolworth and Surbiton are much more local centres and there are a limited number of retailers who can survive there anyway, especially with the rates problem. Good point about M&S. It looks totally out of place on the Broadway. Does it seem to do good business itself? DB

7:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

happychook says...

To all those people of Tolworth who are concerned about the traffic and pollution, I ask, why should us residence of New Malden have to put up with all the pollution brought in from people travelling into our area. I live very close to New Malden Tesco and we often have to queue to get into or out of our road. Tesco NM is always very busy and at times chaotic. If there was a Tesco built in Tolworth that would make a big difference to our quality of life as all those customers travelling in from Chessington, Tolworth, Ewell and surrounding areas would be able to use their local store .
To all those people of Tolworth who are concerned about the traffic and pollution, I ask, why should us residence of New Malden have to put up with all the pollution brought in from people travelling into our area. I live very close to New Malden Tesco and we often have to queue to get into or out of our road. Tesco NM is always very busy and at times chaotic. If there was a Tesco built in Tolworth that would make a big difference to our quality of life as all those customers travelling in from Chessington, Tolworth, Ewell and surrounding areas would be able to use their local store . happychook

9:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pinky107 says...

happychook wrote:
To all those people of Tolworth who are concerned about the traffic and pollution, I ask, why should us residence of New Malden have to put up with all the pollution brought in from people travelling into our area. I live very close to New Malden Tesco and we often have to queue to get into or out of our road. Tesco NM is always very busy and at times chaotic. If there was a Tesco built in Tolworth that would make a big difference to our quality of life as all those customers travelling in from Chessington, Tolworth, Ewell and surrounding areas would be able to use their local store .
just because you have to put up with we have to too ? not very fair is it ? selfish infact , at least we are fighting it as much as we can .
[quote][p][bold]happychook[/bold] wrote: To all those people of Tolworth who are concerned about the traffic and pollution, I ask, why should us residence of New Malden have to put up with all the pollution brought in from people travelling into our area. I live very close to New Malden Tesco and we often have to queue to get into or out of our road. Tesco NM is always very busy and at times chaotic. If there was a Tesco built in Tolworth that would make a big difference to our quality of life as all those customers travelling in from Chessington, Tolworth, Ewell and surrounding areas would be able to use their local store .[/p][/quote]just because you have to put up with we have to too ? not very fair is it ? selfish infact , at least we are fighting it as much as we can . pinky107

7:02pm Sat 11 Jan 14

happychook says...

No more selfish pnky107, than the people who live in Tolworth saying ‘ Not in my Back Yard when I can pollute New Malden‘
No more selfish pnky107, than the people who live in Tolworth saying ‘ Not in my Back Yard when I can pollute New Malden‘ happychook

4:38pm Sun 12 Jan 14

pinky107 says...

i think you are selfish . us in tolworth have never said '' oh let new malden take all the rubbish and pollution '' do you recall us saying that , no . it is a pathetic statement to make about anyone . so just because new malden have suffered you think tolworth should too . i'd hate to live near year with your attitude towards others . selfish beyond belief . who next to have a go at , raynes park ? , norbiton ? or is it just tolworth you have a problem with ?
i think you are selfish . us in tolworth have never said '' oh let new malden take all the rubbish and pollution '' do you recall us saying that , no . it is a pathetic statement to make about anyone . so just because new malden have suffered you think tolworth should too . i'd hate to live near year with your attitude towards others . selfish beyond belief . who next to have a go at , raynes park ? , norbiton ? or is it just tolworth you have a problem with ? pinky107

11:12pm Tue 14 Jan 14

The_Somnambulist says...

Hang on, hang on everyone! No need to argue. At the end of the day only 50 people wrote to the council against and 87 pro the Tesco development. Maybe if you got shouty back when it mattered and put them in writing to the correct department, your views might have made a difference.

http://www.london.go
v.uk/sites/default/f
iles/planning_decisi
ons-tesco_at_tolwort
h_report.pdf

This report is from the Greater London Authority regarding the Tesco application for Tolworth. From page 28 it explains all the points Tesco needs to address for the GLA to accept that it complies with the London Plan. This was the August 2012 planning application. No doubt with this current application - All details available here: http://maps.kingston
.gov.uk/ISIS_Main_ff
ox/ISIS.aspx (Search by address - 'Toby Jug' - Interestingly it is labelled as Former Tesco Tolworth) , Tesco surely would have rectified the points so it does comply with the London Plan. If this is the case then with the GLA behind them it gives them a bit more oomph to get the application accepted.

Personally I'd like to think it would go ahead in some way, shape or form. Although, traffic, access and parking needs to be suitable and the offer of a new school and health centre may change the 'unbelievers' minds.............. Perhaps! (?) :)
Hang on, hang on everyone! No need to argue. At the end of the day only 50 people wrote to the council against and 87 pro the Tesco development. Maybe if you got shouty back when it mattered and put them in writing to the correct department, your views might have made a difference. http://www.london.go v.uk/sites/default/f iles/planning_decisi ons-tesco_at_tolwort h_report.pdf This report is from the Greater London Authority regarding the Tesco application for Tolworth. From page 28 it explains all the points Tesco needs to address for the GLA to accept that it complies with the London Plan. This was the August 2012 planning application. No doubt with this current application - All details available here: http://maps.kingston .gov.uk/ISIS_Main_ff ox/ISIS.aspx (Search by address - 'Toby Jug' - Interestingly it is labelled as Former Tesco Tolworth) , Tesco surely would have rectified the points so it does comply with the London Plan. If this is the case then with the GLA behind them it gives them a bit more oomph to get the application accepted. Personally I'd like to think it would go ahead in some way, shape or form. Although, traffic, access and parking needs to be suitable and the offer of a new school and health centre may change the 'unbelievers' minds.............. Perhaps! (?) :) The_Somnambulist

11:31pm Tue 14 Jan 14

The_Somnambulist says...

As per my last comment, here is Tesco's Addendum To Design and Access Statement Responses to: GLA Letter (30 August 2012)

http://images.kingst
on.gov.uk/images_del
lstore/DC/1210141/Im
age_460.pdf
As per my last comment, here is Tesco's Addendum To Design and Access Statement Responses to: GLA Letter (30 August 2012) http://images.kingst on.gov.uk/images_del lstore/DC/1210141/Im age_460.pdf The_Somnambulist

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