Orpington bypass closed following crash on hard shoulder

This Is Local London: Orpington bypass closed following crash on hard shoulder Orpington bypass closed following crash on hard shoulder

KENT Police is appealing for witnesses to a crash on the Orpington bypass which happened earlier this afternoon (January 2).

Officers want to speak to anyone who saw the collision between a grey Ford Focus and a lorry on the hard shoulder of the A224 between junction four of the M25 and Hewitts Roundabout.

The incident happened at around 12.15pm.

Ambulance crews and firefighters were called to the scene and the carriageway remains closed while police investigate what happened.

Anyone with any information about the collision or who saw the vehicles in the moments before the incident is asked to call the serious collision investigation unit on 01622 798538.

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7:49pm Thu 2 Jan 14

madras says...

I think this was on the M25 Spur, rather than the A224 - to best of my knowledge there is no hard shoulder on the latter, nor does it run between M25 and Hewitts Roundabout
I think this was on the M25 Spur, rather than the A224 - to best of my knowledge there is no hard shoulder on the latter, nor does it run between M25 and Hewitts Roundabout madras

9:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Petras says...

madras wrote:
I think this was on the M25 Spur, rather than the A224 - to best of my knowledge there is no hard shoulder on the latter, nor does it run between M25 and Hewitts Roundabout
Can't expect NS to get it right. They never do. Fisk is the worse. He never uses local knowledge if he has any knowledge local or otherwise
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: I think this was on the M25 Spur, rather than the A224 - to best of my knowledge there is no hard shoulder on the latter, nor does it run between M25 and Hewitts Roundabout[/p][/quote]Can't expect NS to get it right. They never do. Fisk is the worse. He never uses local knowledge if he has any knowledge local or otherwise Petras

8:56am Fri 3 Jan 14

Village Idiot? says...

Actually, there is a hard shoulder area to the left as you approach the roundabout and this is where the accident actually happened. It beats me as to why, passing Chelsfield Village, the speed limit raised to 60mph for a distance of less than a mile? A speed camera would help to curb excessive / aggressive speed along this stretch of road, particularly with the blind curve by Hewitt’s Farm exit closest to the M25 spur. Still, what do I know? I don't work for the planning authorities (is it TFL here?), haven't got a light-weight degree in traffic management - so best leave it to the experts.
Actually, there is a hard shoulder area to the left as you approach the roundabout and this is where the accident actually happened. It beats me as to why, passing Chelsfield Village, the speed limit raised to 60mph for a distance of less than a mile? A speed camera would help to curb excessive / aggressive speed along this stretch of road, particularly with the blind curve by Hewitt’s Farm exit closest to the M25 spur. Still, what do I know? I don't work for the planning authorities (is it TFL here?), haven't got a light-weight degree in traffic management - so best leave it to the experts. Village Idiot?

10:01am Fri 3 Jan 14

snoop dogg says...

Correct - the 40mph restriction on the A224 out of Orpington finishes just after the Church Road crossing and before the golf club.

This is where the speed merchants towards the M25 accelerate and overtake, meeting fast moving traffic used to 60 mph speeds on Spur Road from the motorway coming the other way leaving the blind Hewitts roundabout with the potential for serious accidents.
Correct - the 40mph restriction on the A224 out of Orpington finishes just after the Church Road crossing and before the golf club. This is where the speed merchants towards the M25 accelerate and overtake, meeting fast moving traffic used to 60 mph speeds on Spur Road from the motorway coming the other way leaving the blind Hewitts roundabout with the potential for serious accidents. snoop dogg

12:01pm Fri 3 Jan 14

madras says...

Village Idiot? wrote:
Actually, there is a hard shoulder area to the left as you approach the roundabout and this is where the accident actually happened. It beats me as to why, passing Chelsfield Village, the speed limit raised to 60mph for a distance of less than a mile? A speed camera would help to curb excessive / aggressive speed along this stretch of road, particularly with the blind curve by Hewitt’s Farm exit closest to the M25 spur. Still, what do I know? I don't work for the planning authorities (is it TFL here?), haven't got a light-weight degree in traffic management - so best leave it to the experts.
Agree re the speed limit - it does seem entirely pointless for such a short stretch and really there is no safe place to pass near Hewitt's Farm

Though if the accident was there (and I assume you mean the area with white lines painted as you approach the roundabout) then it's not ''between junction four of the M25 and Hewitts Roundabout.''
[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot?[/bold] wrote: Actually, there is a hard shoulder area to the left as you approach the roundabout and this is where the accident actually happened. It beats me as to why, passing Chelsfield Village, the speed limit raised to 60mph for a distance of less than a mile? A speed camera would help to curb excessive / aggressive speed along this stretch of road, particularly with the blind curve by Hewitt’s Farm exit closest to the M25 spur. Still, what do I know? I don't work for the planning authorities (is it TFL here?), haven't got a light-weight degree in traffic management - so best leave it to the experts.[/p][/quote]Agree re the speed limit - it does seem entirely pointless for such a short stretch and really there is no safe place to pass near Hewitt's Farm Though if the accident was there (and I assume you mean the area with white lines painted as you approach the roundabout) then it's not ''between junction four of the M25 and Hewitts Roundabout.'' madras

3:06pm Fri 3 Jan 14

dontpannic says...

So go on then, why does that stretch of road need a 40mph speed limit? Factual evidence would be good.

No, accidents along there are not a common occurrence, and although I wholeheartedly agree that the section from the junction with Church Road onwards towards Orpington needs to be 40, (due to the rugby club, distance between two junctions, and location/proximity of the pavement) but the section between Church Road and Hewitts Roundabout has no dangers that would be avoided by lowering the speed limit.

There are no houses, no childrens play areas, the pathways either side are not kerbside, the only thing that needs changing is the entrance to Hewitts Farm itself (making it a turn off, rather than a drop kerb driveway).

60mph is not that fast these days when you consider that cars that were around when the speed limits were introduced were more dangerous, slower, and had less stopping power.

Not quite sure why people are discussing the speed along that stretch anyway, until it's confirmed that speed was a sole cause of the accident then its all speculation.
So go on then, why does that stretch of road need a 40mph speed limit? Factual evidence would be good. No, accidents along there are not a common occurrence, and although I wholeheartedly agree that the section from the junction with Church Road onwards towards Orpington needs to be 40, (due to the rugby club, distance between two junctions, and location/proximity of the pavement) but the section between Church Road and Hewitts Roundabout has no dangers that would be avoided by lowering the speed limit. There are no houses, no childrens play areas, the pathways either side are not kerbside, the only thing that needs changing is the entrance to Hewitts Farm itself (making it a turn off, rather than a drop kerb driveway). 60mph is not that fast these days when you consider that cars that were around when the speed limits were introduced were more dangerous, slower, and had less stopping power. Not quite sure why people are discussing the speed along that stretch anyway, until it's confirmed that speed was a sole cause of the accident then its all speculation. dontpannic

4:51pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Village Idiot? says...

dontpannic wrote:
So go on then, why does that stretch of road need a 40mph speed limit? Factual evidence would be good.

No, accidents along there are not a common occurrence, and although I wholeheartedly agree that the section from the junction with Church Road onwards towards Orpington needs to be 40, (due to the rugby club, distance between two junctions, and location/proximity of the pavement) but the section between Church Road and Hewitts Roundabout has no dangers that would be avoided by lowering the speed limit.

There are no houses, no childrens play areas, the pathways either side are not kerbside, the only thing that needs changing is the entrance to Hewitts Farm itself (making it a turn off, rather than a drop kerb driveway).

60mph is not that fast these days when you consider that cars that were around when the speed limits were introduced were more dangerous, slower, and had less stopping power.

Not quite sure why people are discussing the speed along that stretch anyway, until it's confirmed that speed was a sole cause of the accident then its all speculation.
Speed? Because the stretch of road is unsafe, endless crashes, more near misses, several deaths + air ambulance call-outs. But to quote TFL, there have not been enough deaths to warrant any change in junction layout or speed-limits. It is a short stretch of road and 40mph is adequate. The roundabout, with its almost illogical white lines, guarantees 'Death Race 2000' versus sanity. Does that assist?
[quote][p][bold]dontpannic[/bold] wrote: So go on then, why does that stretch of road need a 40mph speed limit? Factual evidence would be good. No, accidents along there are not a common occurrence, and although I wholeheartedly agree that the section from the junction with Church Road onwards towards Orpington needs to be 40, (due to the rugby club, distance between two junctions, and location/proximity of the pavement) but the section between Church Road and Hewitts Roundabout has no dangers that would be avoided by lowering the speed limit. There are no houses, no childrens play areas, the pathways either side are not kerbside, the only thing that needs changing is the entrance to Hewitts Farm itself (making it a turn off, rather than a drop kerb driveway). 60mph is not that fast these days when you consider that cars that were around when the speed limits were introduced were more dangerous, slower, and had less stopping power. Not quite sure why people are discussing the speed along that stretch anyway, until it's confirmed that speed was a sole cause of the accident then its all speculation.[/p][/quote]Speed? Because the stretch of road is unsafe, endless crashes, more near misses, several deaths + air ambulance call-outs. But to quote TFL, there have not been enough deaths to warrant any change in junction layout or speed-limits. It is a short stretch of road and 40mph is adequate. The roundabout, with its almost illogical white lines, guarantees 'Death Race 2000' versus sanity. Does that assist? Village Idiot?

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