Where can I get a kebab at 5am on New Year's Eve? Not in Kingston

This Is Local London: Eden Kebab in Eden Street, Kingston Eden Kebab in Eden Street, Kingston

Soused clubbers could go hungry on New Year’s Day thanks to Kingston Council.

Members of the council's licensing sub-committee have turned down applications from popular late-night takeaways Eden Kebab and Chic-o-Land to stay open longer on January 1.

Both stores had asked to extend their opening hours until 5am in order to cater for hungry revelers celebrating the New Year.

But councillors refused the applications, agreeing with the Metropolitan Police's submission that officers were already overstretched on New Year's Eve and late night food outlets stopped people going home quickly.

Both stores will close at the normal time of 3.30am.

The decision received mixed reviews from councillors sitting in the public gallery.

Conservative councillor Andrea Craig supported the committee, and tweeted: "Tough stance but the right call!"

But Liberal Democrat councillor Barry O'Mahony tweeted: "Cttee refused New Year's Eve extra hour for Eden Kebab so u can drink later but not eat! Don't get the Logic?"

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10:10am Thu 12 Dec 13

DB says...

Good decision. It is great to stay out late on NYE, but 3.30am is probably quite late enough for most.

The later people stay out, the more they are likely to have drunk, so the more likely they are to start causing trouble,
Good decision. It is great to stay out late on NYE, but 3.30am is probably quite late enough for most. The later people stay out, the more they are likely to have drunk, so the more likely they are to start causing trouble, DB

1:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Tony from Surbiton says...

This is one of the very rare times that I agree with Cllr O'Mahony. Sounds a bonkers reason for refusal. Usually support the police, but they have overstepped the mark here. Councillors should try to support the police, but only when they have good reasons for their suggested restrictions. This sounds like an unfair restraint of trade, as there is nothing to suggest that the takeaway shops involved have done anything wrong.
This is one of the very rare times that I agree with Cllr O'Mahony. Sounds a bonkers reason for refusal. Usually support the police, but they have overstepped the mark here. Councillors should try to support the police, but only when they have good reasons for their suggested restrictions. This sounds like an unfair restraint of trade, as there is nothing to suggest that the takeaway shops involved have done anything wrong. Tony from Surbiton

3:15pm Thu 12 Dec 13

captain_shamrock says...

This is one of the few times I agree with DB and disagree with Barry O'Mahony. The council have come to the right decision. The police have clearly stated that they no longer have the numbers to provide the proper cover needed.

It's sad that people won't be able to get a chicken shish at the end of the night if the kebab shops really are well-run trouble free outlets. But that's what happens when Tory Mayor Boris Johnson (responsible for police) cuts police numbers. If there aren't enough police officers to provide the cover we need, there's not much the police can do about it.

Our local MLA, Conservative Tony Arbour, is paid to represent our concerns about police numbers, but instead he enthusiastically backed the cuts. Bizarrely Tory Tony even went further, attacking them in the process:

Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013)

"Tony from Surbiton", if you're upset with the lack of police numbers, I suggest that you contact this Conservative MLA, Tony Arbour. It's his job to vioce our concerns over police numbers. I'm sure you can find his contact details easily enough.
This is one of the few times I agree with DB and disagree with Barry O'Mahony. The council have come to the right decision. The police have clearly stated that they no longer have the numbers to provide the proper cover needed. It's sad that people won't be able to get a chicken shish at the end of the night if the kebab shops really are well-run trouble free outlets. But that's what happens when Tory Mayor Boris Johnson (responsible for police) cuts police numbers. If there aren't enough police officers to provide the cover we need, there's not much the police can do about it. Our local MLA, Conservative Tony Arbour, is paid to represent our concerns about police numbers, but instead he enthusiastically backed the cuts. Bizarrely Tory Tony even went further, attacking them in the process: Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013) "Tony from Surbiton", if you're upset with the lack of police numbers, I suggest that you contact this Conservative MLA, Tony Arbour. It's his job to vioce our concerns over police numbers. I'm sure you can find his contact details easily enough. captain_shamrock

5:26pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Beverly RA says...

We have thirty extra Police in Kingston thanks to the Mayor. But don't take my word for it ask the local Chief Police Inspector of Kingston
And we have to support them the best way we can.
Whilst the issue of Essence was taking place a very serious incident took place in the Borough and the police could not respond as quickly as they would have liked. It seems to me that Cllr O'Mahony is playing to the gallery in Kingston knowing full well it's getting near to election time.
We have thirty extra Police in Kingston thanks to the Mayor. But don't take my word for it ask the local Chief Police Inspector of Kingston And we have to support them the best way we can. Whilst the issue of Essence was taking place a very serious incident took place in the Borough and the police could not respond as quickly as they would have liked. It seems to me that Cllr O'Mahony is playing to the gallery in Kingston knowing full well it's getting near to election time. Beverly RA

8:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Barry O'Mahony says...

Haha - if Beverly RA thinks that backing Kebab shops against the wishes of the Police is me looking for a vote winner, he has little idea of the dynamic in Kingston Town centre. Majority of my own colleagues wouldn't agree with me - so views on this issue are mine alone.

Bear in mind , this application was for New Years Eve only

So, the result is - Luminar managed Night Club Hippodrome can stay open serving alcohol to our young people until 4am.
The two nearest food outlets will have to close at 3.30am.

Tell me how that is balanced and fair-minded
I repeat , we were talking NY eve only

I have been consistent on this point for a number of years - I believe food should be part of the solution - it is not the main cause of our problems.
Haha - if Beverly RA thinks that backing Kebab shops against the wishes of the Police is me looking for a vote winner, he has little idea of the dynamic in Kingston Town centre. Majority of my own colleagues wouldn't agree with me - so views on this issue are mine alone. Bear in mind , this application was for New Years Eve only So, the result is - Luminar managed Night Club Hippodrome can stay open serving alcohol to our young people until 4am. The two nearest food outlets will have to close at 3.30am. Tell me how that is balanced and fair-minded I repeat , we were talking NY eve only I have been consistent on this point for a number of years - I believe food should be part of the solution - it is not the main cause of our problems. Barry O'Mahony

6:46am Fri 13 Dec 13

Beverly RA says...

Hippodrome was given permission to sell food and does so.
Or had you forgotten that ?
I still say we should back our Police, including the extra 30 that the Mayor has provided Kingston with.
Hippodrome was given permission to sell food and does so. Or had you forgotten that ? I still say we should back our Police, including the extra 30 that the Mayor has provided Kingston with. Beverly RA

10:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

DB says...

Barry O'Mahony wrote:
Haha - if Beverly RA thinks that backing Kebab shops against the wishes of the Police is me looking for a vote winner, he has little idea of the dynamic in Kingston Town centre. Majority of my own colleagues wouldn't agree with me - so views on this issue are mine alone. Bear in mind , this application was for New Years Eve only So, the result is - Luminar managed Night Club Hippodrome can stay open serving alcohol to our young people until 4am. The two nearest food outlets will have to close at 3.30am. Tell me how that is balanced and fair-minded I repeat , we were talking NY eve only I have been consistent on this point for a number of years - I believe food should be part of the solution - it is not the main cause of our problems.
I don't think that the 'dynamic' in Kingston town centre is a vote winner at all. I can imagine most people who are likely to vote will see those pictures of what happened outside 'Essence' on Saturday and be pretty shocked about it.

Before Capt_Shamrock comes along and starts moaning about how powerless the council are to stop this type of incident, I realise that this is the case but I am sure most voters won't and will lay the blame for the dynamic of Kingston town centre firmly at the council's door.

What I would like to know is who had the final decision on another massive nightclub being open until 4AM on NYE? Was this the council being over-ruled again or did they just blindly agree to it in the first place?

Whilst I'd agree that these nightclubs are badly managed, what people have to appreciate is that the blame really lies with the idiots who are picking up metal bars and fighting in the first place.

Great news that Essence will closed on NYE, but what do you think that the perpetrators of the fight are going to do on that night? Just stay at home? I doubt it, they will probably go to another local nightclub, and now there is one open until 4am.....
[quote][p][bold]Barry O'Mahony[/bold] wrote: Haha - if Beverly RA thinks that backing Kebab shops against the wishes of the Police is me looking for a vote winner, he has little idea of the dynamic in Kingston Town centre. Majority of my own colleagues wouldn't agree with me - so views on this issue are mine alone. Bear in mind , this application was for New Years Eve only So, the result is - Luminar managed Night Club Hippodrome can stay open serving alcohol to our young people until 4am. The two nearest food outlets will have to close at 3.30am. Tell me how that is balanced and fair-minded I repeat , we were talking NY eve only I have been consistent on this point for a number of years - I believe food should be part of the solution - it is not the main cause of our problems.[/p][/quote]I don't think that the 'dynamic' in Kingston town centre is a vote winner at all. I can imagine most people who are likely to vote will see those pictures of what happened outside 'Essence' on Saturday and be pretty shocked about it. Before Capt_Shamrock comes along and starts moaning about how powerless the council are to stop this type of incident, I realise that this is the case but I am sure most voters won't and will lay the blame for the dynamic of Kingston town centre firmly at the council's door. What I would like to know is who had the final decision on another massive nightclub being open until 4AM on NYE? Was this the council being over-ruled again or did they just blindly agree to it in the first place? Whilst I'd agree that these nightclubs are badly managed, what people have to appreciate is that the blame really lies with the idiots who are picking up metal bars and fighting in the first place. Great news that Essence will closed on NYE, but what do you think that the perpetrators of the fight are going to do on that night? Just stay at home? I doubt it, they will probably go to another local nightclub, and now there is one open until 4am..... DB

1:43pm Fri 13 Dec 13

captain_shamrock says...

Beverly RA wrote:
Hippodrome was given permission to sell food and does so.
Or had you forgotten that ?
I still say we should back our Police, including the extra 30 that the Mayor has provided Kingston with.
Hi Bev,

I'm deeply curious. Does your figure apply to Police Officers only. Or does it also include special constables, and other volunteers?

And over what period does the increase apply? The whole period of Boris Johnson's terms as Mayor from 2008 onwards? And for the same area?

A quick google into the topic shows that:

1. Boris Johnson recently approved massive cuts in the future London police budget. The relatively impartial Londonist reckons that there 2900 fewer police officers (link below) and that all areas in Greater London have seen cuts from 3% to 22%. Figures of cuts of £377 Million pounds are being bandied around. As a comparison, Boris' Roastmaster vanity bus project will cost £500 Million. To me that looks like our policing budget gets trashed to pay for Boris' expensive PR stunts.

Londonist link: http://goo.gl/FQYajC


2. Boris' policing deputy admitted that these future cuts are likely to impact front line services.

3. There are fewer police officers now than
a. before Boris came into power (via Guardian Fact Check)
b. last year ( via London Datastore )

4. Local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour was an extremely enthusiastic supporter of the police cuts. Rather than defend his area from polcie cuts (like Lib Dem & Labour MLAS), he went further and attacked the police for playing "Angry Birds".

The London Datastore ( the Mayor's own website) currently shows London's police officer numbers dropping from a high of 33500 in Sep 2009 to a low of 30235 in Apr 2013. That's a whopping 10.8% decrease.

Can a FOI request allow us to get accurate like for like monthly figures of total police officers (exc. pcso's or volunteers) working in Kingston from May 2008 onwards?

The police budget has obviously been drastically cut to pay for Boris' indulgences. I can't see how this couldn't have an operational impact on the service provided. I certainly can't remember any previous instance of the police saying that they were overstretched and didn't have the resources to allow kebab shops to stay open.

Regarding Food @ The Hippodrome - it doesn't serve food, and hasn't done so for about two years. It currently has no plans to resume selling it.
[quote][p][bold]Beverly RA[/bold] wrote: Hippodrome was given permission to sell food and does so. Or had you forgotten that ? I still say we should back our Police, including the extra 30 that the Mayor has provided Kingston with.[/p][/quote]Hi Bev, I'm deeply curious. Does your figure apply to Police Officers only. Or does it also include special constables, and other volunteers? And over what period does the increase apply? The whole period of Boris Johnson's terms as Mayor from 2008 onwards? And for the same area? A quick google into the topic shows that: 1. Boris Johnson recently approved massive cuts in the future London police budget. The relatively impartial Londonist reckons that there 2900 fewer police officers (link below) and that all areas in Greater London have seen cuts from 3% to 22%. Figures of cuts of £377 Million pounds are being bandied around. As a comparison, Boris' Roastmaster vanity bus project will cost £500 Million. To me that looks like our policing budget gets trashed to pay for Boris' expensive PR stunts. Londonist link: http://goo.gl/FQYajC 2. Boris' policing deputy admitted that these future cuts are likely to impact front line services. 3. There are fewer police officers now than a. before Boris came into power (via Guardian Fact Check) b. last year ( via London Datastore ) 4. Local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour was an extremely enthusiastic supporter of the police cuts. Rather than defend his area from polcie cuts (like Lib Dem & Labour MLAS), he went further and attacked the police for playing "Angry Birds". The London Datastore ( the Mayor's own website) currently shows London's police officer numbers dropping from a high of 33500 in Sep 2009 to a low of 30235 in Apr 2013. That's a whopping 10.8% decrease. Can a FOI request allow us to get accurate like for like monthly figures of total police officers (exc. pcso's or volunteers) working in Kingston from May 2008 onwards? The police budget has obviously been drastically cut to pay for Boris' indulgences. I can't see how this couldn't have an operational impact on the service provided. I certainly can't remember any previous instance of the police saying that they were overstretched and didn't have the resources to allow kebab shops to stay open. Regarding Food @ The Hippodrome - it doesn't serve food, and hasn't done so for about two years. It currently has no plans to resume selling it. captain_shamrock

2:06pm Fri 13 Dec 13

kingstonpaul says...

These places are flash points for trouble. Kingston council have decided that they should not trade because it adds to the over-stretched policing schedule on that day. Sensible, pragmatic, and best of all the town is free of the fatty, stinking detritus dumped by kebab eaters. End of. Can't we just park it there?
These places are flash points for trouble. Kingston council have decided that they should not trade because it adds to the over-stretched policing schedule on that day. Sensible, pragmatic, and best of all the town is free of the fatty, stinking detritus dumped by kebab eaters. End of. Can't we just park it there? kingstonpaul

2:37pm Fri 13 Dec 13

captain_shamrock says...

Hi Bev,

just curious, when you posted "I still say we should back our Police", were you disassociating yourself from Conservative MLA Tony Arbour's recent comments?

Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013)

Curious, are you going to disassocciate yourself from your Conservative MLA's comments, or defend them?

You didn't do a great job in your attempt to defend Conservative Councillor Lynne Finnerty's recent selfish drink driving. Regular readers recall that you described Lynne Finnerty's selfish behaviour as just sailing a bit to close to the wind, and that anybody who hadn't done a bit of drink driving was a bit of a bore.

Maybe you'll come up with a less sociopathic defence this time.

.
Hi Bev, just curious, when you posted "I still say we should back our Police", were you disassociating yourself from Conservative MLA Tony Arbour's recent comments? Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013) Curious, are you going to disassocciate yourself from your Conservative MLA's comments, or defend them? You didn't do a great job in your attempt to defend Conservative Councillor Lynne Finnerty's recent selfish drink driving. Regular readers recall that you described Lynne Finnerty's selfish behaviour as just sailing a bit to close to the wind, and that anybody who hadn't done a bit of drink driving was a bit of a bore. Maybe you'll come up with a less sociopathic defence this time. . captain_shamrock

4:21pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Beverly RA says...

captain_shamrock wrote:
Hi Bev,

just curious, when you posted "I still say we should back our Police", were you disassociating yourself from Conservative MLA Tony Arbour's recent comments?

Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013)

Curious, are you going to disassocciate yourself from your Conservative MLA's comments, or defend them?

You didn't do a great job in your attempt to defend Conservative Councillor Lynne Finnerty's recent selfish drink driving. Regular readers recall that you described Lynne Finnerty's selfish behaviour as just sailing a bit to close to the wind, and that anybody who hadn't done a bit of drink driving was a bit of a bore.

Maybe you'll come up with a less sociopathic defence this time.

.
She Said Sorry and held her hands up. But what comment did you make about the far more serious crime by the Lib Dem Leader Derek Osbourne.So lets remind ourselves.
On 29th October 2013 Derek Osbourne, the former Lib Dem leader of Kingston Borough Council, was sent to prison for two years for offences relating to child ****. As a result of this conviction, Mr Osbourne will have to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years. All in all, it is a crushing fall from grace from a man who once had Parliamentary ambitions.

The facts aren’t entirely clear. It seems (from the Mirror) that the criminality was:

Downloading 2,844 still images, and 293 movies, of children
Sharing with others23 stills and seven movies
Possessing 152 extreme images
But you know I cannot find any reference by you about this. mind you I don't read the Comet Every Day and may have missed it.
[quote][p][bold]captain_shamrock[/bold] wrote: Hi Bev, just curious, when you posted "I still say we should back our Police", were you disassociating yourself from Conservative MLA Tony Arbour's recent comments? Regarding the loss of police officers in Kingston, local Conservative MLA Tony Arbour said: “It does not matter how many you have got, if they are all sitting in the office playing Angry Birds”. (June 2013) Curious, are you going to disassocciate yourself from your Conservative MLA's comments, or defend them? You didn't do a great job in your attempt to defend Conservative Councillor Lynne Finnerty's recent selfish drink driving. Regular readers recall that you described Lynne Finnerty's selfish behaviour as just sailing a bit to close to the wind, and that anybody who hadn't done a bit of drink driving was a bit of a bore. Maybe you'll come up with a less sociopathic defence this time. .[/p][/quote]She Said Sorry and held her hands up. But what comment did you make about the far more serious crime by the Lib Dem Leader Derek Osbourne.So lets remind ourselves. On 29th October 2013 Derek Osbourne, the former Lib Dem leader of Kingston Borough Council, was sent to prison for two years for offences relating to child ****. As a result of this conviction, Mr Osbourne will have to register as a sex offender for the next 10 years. All in all, it is a crushing fall from grace from a man who once had Parliamentary ambitions. The facts aren’t entirely clear. It seems (from the Mirror) that the criminality was: Downloading 2,844 still images, and 293 movies, of children Sharing with others23 stills and seven movies Possessing 152 extreme images But you know I cannot find any reference by you about this. mind you I don't read the Comet Every Day and may have missed it. Beverly RA

9:22am Tue 17 Dec 13

emelem says...

wouldn't it be nice if people ate "before" they went out on the lash, actually didn't get lashed in the end and wouldn't "need" to be out til 5 (?!?!). would be nice too if clubs shut at 1 on nye. you count the new year in, give a kiss, make a toast and go home. why does it have to *drag on*?? so gluttonous & greedy (clubs, kebab shops and patrons alike).
wouldn't it be nice if people ate "before" they went out on the lash, actually didn't get lashed in the end and wouldn't "need" to be out til 5 (?!?!). would be nice too if clubs shut at 1 on nye. you count the new year in, give a kiss, make a toast and go home. why does it have to *drag on*?? so gluttonous & greedy (clubs, kebab shops and patrons alike). emelem

9:54am Tue 17 Dec 13

DB says...

emelem wrote:
wouldn't it be nice if people ate "before" they went out on the lash, actually didn't get lashed in the end and wouldn't "need" to be out til 5 (?!?!). would be nice too if clubs shut at 1 on nye. you count the new year in, give a kiss, make a toast and go home. why does it have to *drag on*?? so gluttonous & greedy (clubs, kebab shops and patrons alike).
That would be nice, wouldn't it? Unfortunately we are well past that now. These type of clubs open until ridiculously late hours most nights of the week, and NYE is supposed to be special so that means staying out even later and having a kebab for breakfast. Us Brits really know how to live.

I don't think that people have got too much to worry about anyway. The council really dropped the ball with the licencing of McDonalds in Surbiton which means that seems to be open virtually all the time.

It is not really too far to go for Kingston revellers to get to Surbiton for something to eat and a quick fight whilst they are at it. Most of them seem to anyway....
[quote][p][bold]emelem[/bold] wrote: wouldn't it be nice if people ate "before" they went out on the lash, actually didn't get lashed in the end and wouldn't "need" to be out til 5 (?!?!). would be nice too if clubs shut at 1 on nye. you count the new year in, give a kiss, make a toast and go home. why does it have to *drag on*?? so gluttonous & greedy (clubs, kebab shops and patrons alike).[/p][/quote]That would be nice, wouldn't it? Unfortunately we are well past that now. These type of clubs open until ridiculously late hours most nights of the week, and NYE is supposed to be special so that means staying out even later and having a kebab for breakfast. Us Brits really know how to live. I don't think that people have got too much to worry about anyway. The council really dropped the ball with the licencing of McDonalds in Surbiton which means that seems to be open virtually all the time. It is not really too far to go for Kingston revellers to get to Surbiton for something to eat and a quick fight whilst they are at it. Most of them seem to anyway.... DB

5:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

surboSam says...

Barry stop cheating!

You can't write posts under two names, it's not fair on the rest of us that can't be bothered to sign up numerous accounts.
Barry stop cheating! You can't write posts under two names, it's not fair on the rest of us that can't be bothered to sign up numerous accounts. surboSam

9:41am Wed 18 Dec 13

DB says...

surboSam wrote:
Barry stop cheating! You can't write posts under two names, it's not fair on the rest of us that can't be bothered to sign up numerous accounts.
If Barry O'Mahoney is Capt_Shamrock, then we/he have got more problems than first thought.

I'd be disturbed if that level of ranting came for a sitting counciller anyway, but in his first reply to this article, Capt_Shamrock claimed to disagree with Barry O'Mahoney. If they are one and the same person that is either a frightening lack of consistency or something even worse.

I am sure there is an easy way to find out.
[quote][p][bold]surboSam[/bold] wrote: Barry stop cheating! You can't write posts under two names, it's not fair on the rest of us that can't be bothered to sign up numerous accounts.[/p][/quote]If Barry O'Mahoney is Capt_Shamrock, then we/he have got more problems than first thought. I'd be disturbed if that level of ranting came for a sitting counciller anyway, but in his first reply to this article, Capt_Shamrock claimed to disagree with Barry O'Mahoney. If they are one and the same person that is either a frightening lack of consistency or something even worse. I am sure there is an easy way to find out. DB

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