Aggressive end to peaceful pub occupation - Bailiffs and riot police storm The Bohemia in North Finchley

Aggressive end to peaceful pub occupation - Bailiffs and riot police storm The Bohemia

Several dozen large bailiffs and police officers raided The Bohemia pub in North Finchley to remove a group of squatters

More than 20 squatters were left to gather their things in the car park as police looked on

A number of agencies and several police teams were involved in the operation

The squatters remained defiant after their eviction, vowing to return to Barnet soon

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Bailiffs and riot police screamed aggressively as they smashed their way through barricades at The Bohemia pub during a dramatic eviction of squatters this evening.

Around two dozen members of the Occupy movement put up little resistance as High Court bailiffs and police officers armed with batons and police dogs bulldozed their way into the building shortly before 5.30pm.

The eviction, ordered by a district judge yesterday, had been imminent since midday today but administrators of the pub were forced to apply for High Court bailiffs in order to force the eviction tonight.

As news filtered through at about 5pm that the court application had been granted and the bailiffs were on their way, squatters began reinforcing barricades on the doors and gathering their possessions ready to resist the raid.

But the blunt force of more than 30 large bailiffs and police officers meant the barricades were breached inside three minutes.

The enforcement staff screamed “get back” as they smashed down the rear doors of the pub, while the squatters, seemingly shocked into submission, could be heard shouting “we’re leaving” and “we’re not resisting” during the chaotic reclamation.

It was an aggressive end to the peaceful six-week occupation of the popular community pub, which closed suddenly in August.

Squat leader Pete Phoenix, who represented the group at two district court hearings earlier this month, spoke to the Times Series after the dramatic raid.

He said: “I’ve had worse – they didn’t use CS gas. But it was a total overreaction on their part to storm in 24 hours after the court order and to use so many police and the resources of the High Court. It was a complete waste of time and money.

“They shouted and screamed a lot – why can’t people just talk to each other?”

Many of the squatters told the Times Series they felt frightened as the bailiffs stormed the building, and several have been left with nowhere to go this evening.

One squatter, Daniel, said: “This is how they do it when no-one is watching. We were never going to resist that sort of aggression.”

The squatters gained access to the pub in September and have reopened the empty building to the public in recent weeks, hosting a full schedule of community activities and events.

Another squatter Warrick, who told the Times Series that tonight was his first experience of being removed by bailiffs, said: “It was scary and intimidating but I trusted the authorities not to beat our faces in.

“They tried to be as aggressive as they possibly could but, for what was a token peaceful resistance, it was excessive.”

Most of the squatters were left gathering their possessions in the car park as they were hauled out by removal men shortly before 6pm, but Mr Phoenix remained defiant in defeat.

He said: “We have friends in other squats that will put us up and members of the local community have offered to take some of us in tonight.

“This was one of the best community projects I have been involved in and we have enjoyed running it over the past few weeks.

“There is a huge demand for community activities around here and we were able to provide a centre for people to have that – we’ll be back somewhere.”

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6:57pm Fri 15 Nov 13

harvey_uk says...

Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley!
Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley! harvey_uk
  • Score: -4

7:04pm Fri 15 Nov 13

Jon10 says...

harvey_uk wrote:
Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley!
Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there?
[quote][p][bold]harvey_uk[/bold] wrote: Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley![/p][/quote]Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there? Jon10
  • Score: 3

8:05pm Fri 15 Nov 13

mallowe says...

The Police, the biggest gang of thugs in Britain, I won't visit this pub!
The Police, the biggest gang of thugs in Britain, I won't visit this pub! mallowe
  • Score: -7

11:58pm Fri 15 Nov 13

harvey_uk says...

Jon10 wrote:
harvey_uk wrote:
Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley!
Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there?
Jon10 and the Squatters don't quite seem understand that you don't start a business by breaking in and occupying a premise. As the signs outside the pub said, these people wanted their right to shelter. They had no intention to pay rent, and knew exactly that squatting in a commercial premises isn't yet illegal, unlike private houses. In the end their war cry of civil disobedience clearly shows their intentions and nature. Don't be a fool into thinking these people have any community motive behind their illegal squatting, like the library break-in, they just wanted free accommodation and to waste tax payers money under the guise of community goodwill. The law needs to change and soft touch county judge Pomfrit today should have made these people financially responsible for their actions. People like this are destroying the little bit of Great left in Britain by abusing the system without actually contributing anything of value.
[quote][p][bold]Jon10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harvey_uk[/bold] wrote: Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley![/p][/quote]Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there?[/p][/quote]Jon10 and the Squatters don't quite seem understand that you don't start a business by breaking in and occupying a premise. As the signs outside the pub said, these people wanted their right to shelter. They had no intention to pay rent, and knew exactly that squatting in a commercial premises isn't yet illegal, unlike private houses. In the end their war cry of civil disobedience clearly shows their intentions and nature. Don't be a fool into thinking these people have any community motive behind their illegal squatting, like the library break-in, they just wanted free accommodation and to waste tax payers money under the guise of community goodwill. The law needs to change and soft touch county judge Pomfrit today should have made these people financially responsible for their actions. People like this are destroying the little bit of Great left in Britain by abusing the system without actually contributing anything of value. harvey_uk
  • Score: -5

9:19am Sat 16 Nov 13

Becky234 says...

"The little bit of great left in Britain" oh please tell me more about this wonderful country that has stripped disabled people of their benefits leaving them without the ability to pay for care, introduced a system where by those people in council houses with what the government has decided is a spare bedroom are made homeless and hundreds of council homes and flats are to be demolished by local councils because they have too many bedrooms and no one is allowed to live in them! A country where the government has so much money vested in corporations and the arms trade that it will allow energy companies to hike prices and risk thousands of lives through its heat or eat attitude.
And yet despite this propect of so many sleeping and dying in the cold this winter we recently find London celebrating an occasion like The Lord Mayors show where some prat who has paid hundreds of thousands to dodgy underground societies and corporations while parading around in a gold coach for the sake of tradition. Buckingham palace asked for a heating allowance under the same legislation as the one you mother father or grandparent might get to hear her 7000 bedroom home, but again she is a tradition.
Stop looking to the good old days, they didn't exist. This "great" country has a long dark history of demonising the poor and it is not confined to the past.

Why are these squatters less valuable people than the developer who wants to turn it into flats or another chain? They were running a community centre for and by the community and the same situation with the library and if you had ever visited either you would know they were respected for both by the community, maybe do some research.
If you think squatters are the problem here you need to take a long hard look and where this country is, has been and where it is heading and think again who is to blame for the crisis we find ourselves in.
"The little bit of great left in Britain" oh please tell me more about this wonderful country that has stripped disabled people of their benefits leaving them without the ability to pay for care, introduced a system where by those people in council houses with what the government has decided is a spare bedroom are made homeless and hundreds of council homes and flats are to be demolished by local councils because they have too many bedrooms and no one is allowed to live in them! A country where the government has so much money vested in corporations and the arms trade that it will allow energy companies to hike prices and risk thousands of lives through its heat or eat attitude. And yet despite this propect of so many sleeping and dying in the cold this winter we recently find London celebrating an occasion like The Lord Mayors show where some prat who has paid hundreds of thousands to dodgy underground societies and corporations while parading around in a gold coach for the sake of tradition. Buckingham palace asked for a heating allowance under the same legislation as the one you mother father or grandparent might get to hear her 7000 bedroom home, but again she is a tradition. Stop looking to the good old days, they didn't exist. This "great" country has a long dark history of demonising the poor and it is not confined to the past. Why are these squatters less valuable people than the developer who wants to turn it into flats or another chain? They were running a community centre for and by the community and the same situation with the library and if you had ever visited either you would know they were respected for both by the community, maybe do some research. If you think squatters are the problem here you need to take a long hard look and where this country is, has been and where it is heading and think again who is to blame for the crisis we find ourselves in. Becky234
  • Score: 7

1:20pm Sat 16 Nov 13

Mr E Dance says...

'The library break in' that Harvey (wrongly) claims ultimately retained a much needed resource for the people of Barnet. Had accommodation been their sole aim, why would they have established, restocked, & given their time to run a library that opened for extended hours, 6 days a week, for so many months? It can't have been a picnic living there!
'The library break in' that Harvey (wrongly) claims ultimately retained a much needed resource for the people of Barnet. Had accommodation been their sole aim, why would they have established, restocked, & given their time to run a library that opened for extended hours, 6 days a week, for so many months? It can't have been a picnic living there! Mr E Dance
  • Score: 5

2:48pm Sat 16 Nov 13

OhWiseOne says...

Sensationalist journalism there - 'Police Officers armed with batons' Err what else do you expect a Police Officer in the UK (irrespective of whether they are riot Police or not) to be equipped with?? Is this the Barnet Times or the Daily Fail?
Sensationalist journalism there - 'Police Officers armed with batons' Err what else do you expect a Police Officer in the UK (irrespective of whether they are riot Police or not) to be equipped with?? Is this the Barnet Times or the Daily Fail? OhWiseOne
  • Score: 4

9:04am Sun 17 Nov 13

Mr. Datchery says...

harvey_uk wrote:
Jon10 wrote:
harvey_uk wrote:
Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley!
Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there?
Jon10 and the Squatters don't quite seem understand that you don't start a business by breaking in and occupying a premise. As the signs outside the pub said, these people wanted their right to shelter. They had no intention to pay rent, and knew exactly that squatting in a commercial premises isn't yet illegal, unlike private houses. In the end their war cry of civil disobedience clearly shows their intentions and nature. Don't be a fool into thinking these people have any community motive behind their illegal squatting, like the library break-in, they just wanted free accommodation and to waste tax payers money under the guise of community goodwill. The law needs to change and soft touch county judge Pomfrit today should have made these people financially responsible for their actions. People like this are destroying the little bit of Great left in Britain by abusing the system without actually contributing anything of value.
"harvey uk" and one or two other regular commentators here = Reactionary

Reactionary= "Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative." and "A reactionary is a person who holds political viewpoints that favor a return to a previous state in a society. "

"A reactionary is a somnambulist walking backwards."
Franklin D. Roosevelt
[quote][p][bold]harvey_uk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jon10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harvey_uk[/bold] wrote: Squatters you surely can't blame the police and bailiffs if you were hinting at civil disobedience. Well done to the police and bailiffs! Doubt that's the last Barnet see of these squatters pretending to be champions of the community, maybe they can pay some of the legal costs of their eviction from their illegal occupation back to tax payers. Time to bring develop a decent pub in North Finchley![/p][/quote]Didn't they WANT "a decent pub" in North Finchley there?[/p][/quote]Jon10 and the Squatters don't quite seem understand that you don't start a business by breaking in and occupying a premise. As the signs outside the pub said, these people wanted their right to shelter. They had no intention to pay rent, and knew exactly that squatting in a commercial premises isn't yet illegal, unlike private houses. In the end their war cry of civil disobedience clearly shows their intentions and nature. Don't be a fool into thinking these people have any community motive behind their illegal squatting, like the library break-in, they just wanted free accommodation and to waste tax payers money under the guise of community goodwill. The law needs to change and soft touch county judge Pomfrit today should have made these people financially responsible for their actions. People like this are destroying the little bit of Great left in Britain by abusing the system without actually contributing anything of value.[/p][/quote]"harvey uk" and one or two other regular commentators here = Reactionary Reactionary= "Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative." and "A reactionary is a person who holds political viewpoints that favor a return to a previous state in a society. " "A reactionary is a somnambulist walking backwards." Franklin D. Roosevelt Mr. Datchery
  • Score: 4

12:57pm Sun 17 Nov 13

EddieC says...

@harvey_uk

I'm one of the people that was involved in this community project, you may want to sit down as I'm afraid I'm going to shatter a few illusions you have!

I have my own home in Hertfordshire and I run my own online marketing agency. I was not involved in this project to get free accomodation, and as someone in the 40% bracket myself I'm certainly not interested in wasting taxpayers money.

I was not the only person there that had a home to go to, but of course there were also those that didn't. However your claim that these people only squatted the pub for free accommodation is way off the mark. If you think about it logically for a second you will realise that these guys could have squatted the pub for just as long without opening the doors and putting on any community events, those actions were purely out of choice and the desire to do something positive rather than necessity.

And something positive was done. Over the last 6 weeks many people have enjoyed use of a building that would have otherwise sat empty. The people that you believe to be freeloaders may not have been paying any rent but they were not making any money, all events were put on for free & no alcohol was sold - or anything else for that matter. There were a number of great events put on there, not just the music events that you would associate with a pub but valuable community services that were hugely appreciated by those who used them.

You try to use the calls for civil disobedience as 'proof' of our 'true' intentions. The ideas of civil disobedience and wanting to do positive things for the community are not mutually exclusive, and it is a weak argument to try & paint them as such. Civil disobedience won equal rights for black people (on paper at least) and women's right to vote, would you not say these are positive changes in communities and society as a whole?

I am one of those calling for mass civil disobedience, and I can assure you I would much rather be comfortable at home than out sleeping in tents & squats, getting regularly assaulted by the police & occasionally arrested (acquitted in court both times before you start trying to use this as a stick to beat me with). I do also - as highlighted before - actually have other things to be doing with my time, like running my business.

The simple fact is though that something is very, very wrong with the route that successive governments have been taking us down, and it is clear that they are not going to stop until they are made to stop. Money controls politics, and about the only way to get the politicians to pay attention to the people is to start making not listening very costly. Hundreds of thousands across the country have signed petitions & taken part in protests, none of it is being listened to. Unless people want to accept this path of our rights being taken away & total control being handed over to corporate entities then we need to up the ante.
@harvey_uk I'm one of the people that was involved in this community project, you may want to sit down as I'm afraid I'm going to shatter a few illusions you have! I have my own home in Hertfordshire and I run my own online marketing agency. I was not involved in this project to get free accomodation, and as someone in the 40% bracket myself I'm certainly not interested in wasting taxpayers money. I was not the only person there that had a home to go to, but of course there were also those that didn't. However your claim that these people only squatted the pub for free accommodation is way off the mark. If you think about it logically for a second you will realise that these guys could have squatted the pub for just as long without opening the doors and putting on any community events, those actions were purely out of choice and the desire to do something positive rather than necessity. And something positive was done. Over the last 6 weeks many people have enjoyed use of a building that would have otherwise sat empty. The people that you believe to be freeloaders may not have been paying any rent but they were not making any money, all events were put on for free & no alcohol was sold - or anything else for that matter. There were a number of great events put on there, not just the music events that you would associate with a pub but valuable community services that were hugely appreciated by those who used them. You try to use the calls for civil disobedience as 'proof' of our 'true' intentions. The ideas of civil disobedience and wanting to do positive things for the community are not mutually exclusive, and it is a weak argument to try & paint them as such. Civil disobedience won equal rights for black people (on paper at least) and women's right to vote, would you not say these are positive changes in communities and society as a whole? I am one of those calling for mass civil disobedience, and I can assure you I would much rather be comfortable at home than out sleeping in tents & squats, getting regularly assaulted by the police & occasionally arrested (acquitted in court both times before you start trying to use this as a stick to beat me with). I do also - as highlighted before - actually have other things to be doing with my time, like running my business. The simple fact is though that something is very, very wrong with the route that successive governments have been taking us down, and it is clear that they are not going to stop until they are made to stop. Money controls politics, and about the only way to get the politicians to pay attention to the people is to start making not listening very costly. Hundreds of thousands across the country have signed petitions & taken part in protests, none of it is being listened to. Unless people want to accept this path of our rights being taken away & total control being handed over to corporate entities then we need to up the ante. EddieC
  • Score: 5

9:39am Mon 18 Nov 13

barnet123 says...

The cops should have beaten their faces in
The cops should have beaten their faces in barnet123
  • Score: 0

11:03am Mon 18 Nov 13

harvey_uk says...

EddieC wrote:
@harvey_uk

I'm one of the people that was involved in this community project, you may want to sit down as I'm afraid I'm going to shatter a few illusions you have!

I have my own home in Hertfordshire and I run my own online marketing agency. I was not involved in this project to get free accomodation, and as someone in the 40% bracket myself I'm certainly not interested in wasting taxpayers money.

I was not the only person there that had a home to go to, but of course there were also those that didn't. However your claim that these people only squatted the pub for free accommodation is way off the mark. If you think about it logically for a second you will realise that these guys could have squatted the pub for just as long without opening the doors and putting on any community events, those actions were purely out of choice and the desire to do something positive rather than necessity.

And something positive was done. Over the last 6 weeks many people have enjoyed use of a building that would have otherwise sat empty. The people that you believe to be freeloaders may not have been paying any rent but they were not making any money, all events were put on for free & no alcohol was sold - or anything else for that matter. There were a number of great events put on there, not just the music events that you would associate with a pub but valuable community services that were hugely appreciated by those who used them.

You try to use the calls for civil disobedience as 'proof' of our 'true' intentions. The ideas of civil disobedience and wanting to do positive things for the community are not mutually exclusive, and it is a weak argument to try & paint them as such. Civil disobedience won equal rights for black people (on paper at least) and women's right to vote, would you not say these are positive changes in communities and society as a whole?

I am one of those calling for mass civil disobedience, and I can assure you I would much rather be comfortable at home than out sleeping in tents & squats, getting regularly assaulted by the police & occasionally arrested (acquitted in court both times before you start trying to use this as a stick to beat me with). I do also - as highlighted before - actually have other things to be doing with my time, like running my business.

The simple fact is though that something is very, very wrong with the route that successive governments have been taking us down, and it is clear that they are not going to stop until they are made to stop. Money controls politics, and about the only way to get the politicians to pay attention to the people is to start making not listening very costly. Hundreds of thousands across the country have signed petitions & taken part in protests, none of it is being listened to. Unless people want to accept this path of our rights being taken away & total control being handed over to corporate entities then we need to up the ante.
Strange why in the latest released video Pete talks about the 1.5 million commercial properties vacant, guess he's got a list of where to target next. Let me know your address, I'd like to squat, hope you won't mind. Breaking into buildings isn't the legal way to provide community projects. I was hoping the dogs would have been set loose and you experienced some tear gas and a truncheon on your head might make you come to your senses. Clearly your a left wing misguided socialist who is brainwashed into thinking Pete Pheonix should be hailed as the Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela of our times. Maybe you would like to move to North Korea.
[quote][p][bold]EddieC[/bold] wrote: @harvey_uk I'm one of the people that was involved in this community project, you may want to sit down as I'm afraid I'm going to shatter a few illusions you have! I have my own home in Hertfordshire and I run my own online marketing agency. I was not involved in this project to get free accomodation, and as someone in the 40% bracket myself I'm certainly not interested in wasting taxpayers money. I was not the only person there that had a home to go to, but of course there were also those that didn't. However your claim that these people only squatted the pub for free accommodation is way off the mark. If you think about it logically for a second you will realise that these guys could have squatted the pub for just as long without opening the doors and putting on any community events, those actions were purely out of choice and the desire to do something positive rather than necessity. And something positive was done. Over the last 6 weeks many people have enjoyed use of a building that would have otherwise sat empty. The people that you believe to be freeloaders may not have been paying any rent but they were not making any money, all events were put on for free & no alcohol was sold - or anything else for that matter. There were a number of great events put on there, not just the music events that you would associate with a pub but valuable community services that were hugely appreciated by those who used them. You try to use the calls for civil disobedience as 'proof' of our 'true' intentions. The ideas of civil disobedience and wanting to do positive things for the community are not mutually exclusive, and it is a weak argument to try & paint them as such. Civil disobedience won equal rights for black people (on paper at least) and women's right to vote, would you not say these are positive changes in communities and society as a whole? I am one of those calling for mass civil disobedience, and I can assure you I would much rather be comfortable at home than out sleeping in tents & squats, getting regularly assaulted by the police & occasionally arrested (acquitted in court both times before you start trying to use this as a stick to beat me with). I do also - as highlighted before - actually have other things to be doing with my time, like running my business. The simple fact is though that something is very, very wrong with the route that successive governments have been taking us down, and it is clear that they are not going to stop until they are made to stop. Money controls politics, and about the only way to get the politicians to pay attention to the people is to start making not listening very costly. Hundreds of thousands across the country have signed petitions & taken part in protests, none of it is being listened to. Unless people want to accept this path of our rights being taken away & total control being handed over to corporate entities then we need to up the ante.[/p][/quote]Strange why in the latest released video Pete talks about the 1.5 million commercial properties vacant, guess he's got a list of where to target next. Let me know your address, I'd like to squat, hope you won't mind. Breaking into buildings isn't the legal way to provide community projects. I was hoping the dogs would have been set loose and you experienced some tear gas and a truncheon on your head might make you come to your senses. Clearly your a left wing misguided socialist who is brainwashed into thinking Pete Pheonix should be hailed as the Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela of our times. Maybe you would like to move to North Korea. harvey_uk
  • Score: -2

11:12am Mon 18 Nov 13

harvey_uk says...

Mr E Dance wrote:
'The library break in' that Harvey (wrongly) claims ultimately retained a much needed resource for the people of Barnet. Had accommodation been their sole aim, why would they have established, restocked, & given their time to run a library that opened for extended hours, 6 days a week, for so many months? It can't have been a picnic living there!
Much needed resource, really? Dwindling numbers visit libraries with the progress of the internet and e-books. The library is now nothing more then somewhere to host pilate classes (quite easily done across the road at St Johns church community hall) or for immigrants to get free internet access. Funded by the council over 2 years, overnight security, and no staff wages, how long can this be a viable option. If Pete and his gang's living conditions weren't great, why not pay and rent somewhere suitable, of course these losers would need a job in the first place! These people have not been back to help out at the library since leaving.
[quote][p][bold]Mr E Dance[/bold] wrote: 'The library break in' that Harvey (wrongly) claims ultimately retained a much needed resource for the people of Barnet. Had accommodation been their sole aim, why would they have established, restocked, & given their time to run a library that opened for extended hours, 6 days a week, for so many months? It can't have been a picnic living there![/p][/quote]Much needed resource, really? Dwindling numbers visit libraries with the progress of the internet and e-books. The library is now nothing more then somewhere to host pilate classes (quite easily done across the road at St Johns church community hall) or for immigrants to get free internet access. Funded by the council over 2 years, overnight security, and no staff wages, how long can this be a viable option. If Pete and his gang's living conditions weren't great, why not pay and rent somewhere suitable, of course these losers would need a job in the first place! These people have not been back to help out at the library since leaving. harvey_uk
  • Score: -4

11:32am Mon 18 Nov 13

harvey_uk says...

Becky234 wrote:
"The little bit of great left in Britain" oh please tell me more about this wonderful country that has stripped disabled people of their benefits leaving them without the ability to pay for care, introduced a system where by those people in council houses with what the government has decided is a spare bedroom are made homeless and hundreds of council homes and flats are to be demolished by local councils because they have too many bedrooms and no one is allowed to live in them! A country where the government has so much money vested in corporations and the arms trade that it will allow energy companies to hike prices and risk thousands of lives through its heat or eat attitude.
And yet despite this propect of so many sleeping and dying in the cold this winter we recently find London celebrating an occasion like The Lord Mayors show where some prat who has paid hundreds of thousands to dodgy underground societies and corporations while parading around in a gold coach for the sake of tradition. Buckingham palace asked for a heating allowance under the same legislation as the one you mother father or grandparent might get to hear her 7000 bedroom home, but again she is a tradition.
Stop looking to the good old days, they didn't exist. This "great" country has a long dark history of demonising the poor and it is not confined to the past.

Why are these squatters less valuable people than the developer who wants to turn it into flats or another chain? They were running a community centre for and by the community and the same situation with the library and if you had ever visited either you would know they were respected for both by the community, maybe do some research.
If you think squatters are the problem here you need to take a long hard look and where this country is, has been and where it is heading and think again who is to blame for the crisis we find ourselves in.
You sound upset that your loosing benefits? Disabled people weren't stripped of any benefits, they were asked to be assessed if they were genuinely unable to work, in London 1/3 of those asked didn't even bother to go to the assessment and dropped their application. With a social housing shortage, why shouldn't people be asked to work for their spare room, downsize or loose some benefits, Do people really think social housing is their right to a free home, if people want a nice home, go work, get a mortgage and pay for a nice home or move to a communist country.
[quote][p][bold]Becky234[/bold] wrote: "The little bit of great left in Britain" oh please tell me more about this wonderful country that has stripped disabled people of their benefits leaving them without the ability to pay for care, introduced a system where by those people in council houses with what the government has decided is a spare bedroom are made homeless and hundreds of council homes and flats are to be demolished by local councils because they have too many bedrooms and no one is allowed to live in them! A country where the government has so much money vested in corporations and the arms trade that it will allow energy companies to hike prices and risk thousands of lives through its heat or eat attitude. And yet despite this propect of so many sleeping and dying in the cold this winter we recently find London celebrating an occasion like The Lord Mayors show where some prat who has paid hundreds of thousands to dodgy underground societies and corporations while parading around in a gold coach for the sake of tradition. Buckingham palace asked for a heating allowance under the same legislation as the one you mother father or grandparent might get to hear her 7000 bedroom home, but again she is a tradition. Stop looking to the good old days, they didn't exist. This "great" country has a long dark history of demonising the poor and it is not confined to the past. Why are these squatters less valuable people than the developer who wants to turn it into flats or another chain? They were running a community centre for and by the community and the same situation with the library and if you had ever visited either you would know they were respected for both by the community, maybe do some research. If you think squatters are the problem here you need to take a long hard look and where this country is, has been and where it is heading and think again who is to blame for the crisis we find ourselves in.[/p][/quote]You sound upset that your loosing benefits? Disabled people weren't stripped of any benefits, they were asked to be assessed if they were genuinely unable to work, in London 1/3 of those asked didn't even bother to go to the assessment and dropped their application. With a social housing shortage, why shouldn't people be asked to work for their spare room, downsize or loose some benefits, Do people really think social housing is their right to a free home, if people want a nice home, go work, get a mortgage and pay for a nice home or move to a communist country. harvey_uk
  • Score: -2

12:14pm Mon 18 Nov 13

mallowe says...

"The cops should have beaten their faces in"
The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice!
"The cops should have beaten their faces in" The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice! mallowe
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Mon 18 Nov 13

barnet123 says...

mallowe wrote:
"The cops should have beaten their faces in"
The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice!
The crusties were resisting against a court ordered eviction notice so to me that requires Police assistance don't you?

They barricaded the doors and when the feds bust in, they soiled themselves and cowered in the corner shouting "we’re leaving” and “we’re not resisting” ... this whole thing is a shambles and the biggest joke is that some of you on here are defending them ... shame on you, shame on all you tree hugger lovers
[quote][p][bold]mallowe[/bold] wrote: "The cops should have beaten their faces in" The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice![/p][/quote]The crusties were resisting against a court ordered eviction notice so to me that requires Police assistance don't you? They barricaded the doors and when the feds bust in, they soiled themselves and cowered in the corner shouting "we’re leaving” and “we’re not resisting” ... this whole thing is a shambles and the biggest joke is that some of you on here are defending them ... shame on you, shame on all you tree hugger lovers barnet123
  • Score: -1

2:02pm Mon 18 Nov 13

mallowe says...

"shame on you, shame on all you tree hugger lovers"

The Police were called to ensure that there was no breach of the peace and that was all NOT TO JOIN IN THE MAYHEM!
"shame on you, shame on all you tree hugger lovers" The Police were called to ensure that there was no breach of the peace and that was all NOT TO JOIN IN THE MAYHEM! mallowe
  • Score: -3

4:13pm Mon 18 Nov 13

OhWiseOne says...

mallowe wrote:
"The cops should have beaten their faces in"
The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice!
Are you actually saying that with a straight face? A spokesman for the squatters stated they would resist the eviction with civil disobedience - inevitably that means committing a criminal offence - obstructing a court bailiff being one such offence so of course the Police are going to be there (when they could have been doing other things had your spokesman not made such threats.)

You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair. You played the game now accept you lost
[quote][p][bold]mallowe[/bold] wrote: "The cops should have beaten their faces in" The Police should not have been involved, This was a civil matter with NO criminal interest and have perverted the course of justice![/p][/quote]Are you actually saying that with a straight face? A spokesman for the squatters stated they would resist the eviction with civil disobedience - inevitably that means committing a criminal offence - obstructing a court bailiff being one such offence so of course the Police are going to be there (when they could have been doing other things had your spokesman not made such threats.) You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair. You played the game now accept you lost OhWiseOne
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Mon 18 Nov 13

mallowe says...

oh unwise one Interalia
"Are you actually saying that with a straight face"
"You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair"

Cheap jibes and unworthy of informed debate The Filth should have NOT intervened.
oh unwise one Interalia "Are you actually saying that with a straight face" "You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair" Cheap jibes and unworthy of informed debate The Filth should have NOT intervened. mallowe
  • Score: -2

4:51pm Mon 18 Nov 13

OhWiseOne says...

mallowe wrote:
oh unwise one Interalia
"Are you actually saying that with a straight face"
"You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair"

Cheap jibes and unworthy of informed debate The Filth should have NOT intervened.
Always 'The Filth'.... Until you actually need one.

I have nothing but praise for our Emergency Services - especially the Police.

As for your refusal to make a counter to my comments i will therefore assume that you cant because you accept your comments were erroneous.
[quote][p][bold]mallowe[/bold] wrote: oh unwise one Interalia "Are you actually saying that with a straight face" "You sound like a child complaining that a game is unfair" Cheap jibes and unworthy of informed debate The Filth should have NOT intervened.[/p][/quote]Always 'The Filth'.... Until you actually need one. I have nothing but praise for our Emergency Services - especially the Police. As for your refusal to make a counter to my comments i will therefore assume that you cant because you accept your comments were erroneous. OhWiseOne
  • Score: 2

6:30pm Mon 18 Nov 13

Mr E Dance says...

Doesn't take much for the likes of Harveyuk - 'immigrants (getting) free internet access' (sic), & barnet123 -'the cops should have beaten their faces in', to reveal their true colours!
Take a chill pill (or preferably, some therapy)! This hatred of others will eat you up. Remember to......B R E A T H E
Doesn't take much for the likes of Harveyuk - 'immigrants (getting) free internet access' (sic), & barnet123 -'the cops should have beaten their faces in', to reveal their true colours! Take a chill pill (or preferably, some therapy)! This hatred of others will eat you up. Remember to......B R E A T H E Mr E Dance
  • Score: 2

9:00pm Mon 18 Nov 13

mallowe says...

"As for your refusal to make a counter to my comments i will therefore assume that you cant because you accept your comments were erroneous"

They were cheap jibes and unworthy of comment and not informed debate try learning to read!
"As for your refusal to make a counter to my comments i will therefore assume that you cant because you accept your comments were erroneous" They were cheap jibes and unworthy of comment and not informed debate try learning to read! mallowe
  • Score: -3

9:50pm Mon 18 Nov 13

barnet123 says...

Mr E Dance wrote:
Doesn't take much for the likes of Harveyuk - 'immigrants (getting) free internet access' (sic), & barnet123 -'the cops should have beaten their faces in', to reveal their true colours!
Take a chill pill (or preferably, some therapy)! This hatred of others will eat you up. Remember to......B R E A T H E
I was quoting the story you fool ... Can you read? If not, I know a good 'community library'
[quote][p][bold]Mr E Dance[/bold] wrote: Doesn't take much for the likes of Harveyuk - 'immigrants (getting) free internet access' (sic), & barnet123 -'the cops should have beaten their faces in', to reveal their true colours! Take a chill pill (or preferably, some therapy)! This hatred of others will eat you up. Remember to......B R E A T H E[/p][/quote]I was quoting the story you fool ... Can you read? If not, I know a good 'community library' barnet123
  • Score: -3

6:53am Tue 19 Nov 13

Mr. Datchery says...

Can I just thank harvey_uk all the other reactionary commentators who took the time to prove my point made earlier. As usual his comments show how his usual manifest ignorance for example children's Library usage (perhaps a Library's most important function) has gone up despite the best efforts of Tories local and national.His glib remark about 'get a mortgage' shows a grasp of current economic conditions that adds a whole new meaning to the word 'wrong'
Can I just thank harvey_uk all the other reactionary commentators who took the time to prove my point made earlier. As usual his comments show how his usual manifest ignorance for example children's Library usage (perhaps a Library's most important function) has gone up despite the best efforts of Tories local and national.His glib remark about 'get a mortgage' shows a grasp of current economic conditions that adds a whole new meaning to the word 'wrong' Mr. Datchery
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Tue 19 Nov 13

Mr E Dance says...

Sincere apologies barnet123 ( 'I was quoting the story you fool ... Can you read?'), I'll re-read the thread.........
Sincere apologies barnet123 ( 'I was quoting the story you fool ... Can you read?'), I'll re-read the thread......... Mr E Dance
  • Score: 1

6:13pm Tue 19 Nov 13

Mr E Dance says...

......No, still appears to me that you advocate & encourage state brutality, & harvey UK ('immigrant's getting free internet access')is a racist, but thanks for confirming my concerns about your anger issues. God help us if you take it upon yourselves to clean up the ghetto with baseball bats!
Have you checked 'situations vacant' at the BNP yet?
......No, still appears to me that you advocate & encourage state brutality, & harvey UK ('immigrant's getting free internet access')is a racist, but thanks for confirming my concerns about your anger issues. God help us if you take it upon yourselves to clean up the ghetto with baseball bats! Have you checked 'situations vacant' at the BNP yet? Mr E Dance
  • Score: 2

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