'Homosexuals manipulate police': Wimbledon Reverend Peter Ratcliff insists you can give up being gay like quitting smoking

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Homosexuality can be given up like cigarettes or drugs, a reverend has claimed after leaping to the defence of a controversial preacher arrested for using “homophobic” language.

The Rev Peter Ratcliff, of St John’s Church of England (Continuing) in Colliers Wood, has leapt to the defence of controversial Christian speaker Tony Miano, who was arrested on Monday, July 1, outside Wimbledon’s Centre Court shopping centre for using offensive “homophobic” language.

His arrest and preceding speech was caught on camera and later posted on YouTube in which Mr Miano, a US citizen, preaches from the Bible, voicing his belief that same-sex relationships are an “abomination”.

His words prompted a complaint from a member of the public to the police who arrested him under section 5 of the Public Order Act, took him to Wimbledon police station, where he was questioned but later released without charge.

In response, a furious Mr Ratcliff accused police of misusing the law and being manipulated by homosexuals, prompting him to demand from them a public apology.

Mr Ratcliff, who is also firmly against women in the clergy, said: “His YouTube video shows his entire speech and he was in no way inciting violence toward anybody.

“If anybody should be charged with hate it is his accuser who appears to have sworn at him.

“In the USA there are now groups of ex-homosexuals who have been able to repent of homosexuality in the way that one might for example give up cigarettes or drugs.

“I call upon Merton police to publicly apologise for such high handed use of the law and for allowing themselves to be manipulated by homosexuals who are evidently trying to silence those who not merely have Biblical and moral objections to homosexuality but are proclaiming the way of eternal life through Jesus Christ to all people regardless of their present circumstances.”

 

Mr Miano had been preaching in Wimbledon every day of the first week of the tennis championships.

Defending his actions, Mr Miano said: “The language I used was not homophobic, as I was not promoting fear or hatred of homosexuals.

"I began by assuring people that mine was not a message of hate but of love.

"I was simply explaining a passage in the Bible which speaks of sexual immorality and that people should abstain from it.”

A Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed that under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 officers have the power to arrest someone on suspicion of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour within the sight of a person likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress - after which a citizen is either charged or released with no further action.

Mr Ratcliff is no stranger to controversy, having claimed in 2010 that Princess Diana-style funerals where friends and family read eulogies and poems should be banned and are “little better than an entertainment show”.

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9:19am Thu 11 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

OK Reverend.

Lets see if you can become an ex-heterosexual.

Until that time, please stop making a fool of yourself by stating ridiculous nonsense.
OK Reverend. Lets see if you can become an ex-heterosexual. Until that time, please stop making a fool of yourself by stating ridiculous nonsense. cocteaut
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12:29pm Thu 11 Jul 13

tom_d says...

I was interested to hear that homosexuals manipulate the police - it reminded me of a documentary about homosexuals in the armed forces that was broadcast on C4 in the 1990s. Amongst other things, gays in the navy:

- Can't swim
- Attract enemy radar
- Attract sharks
- Insist on being placed at the Captain's table
- Get up late
- Nudge people whilst they're shooting

and

- Muck about

I for one am glad that the Reverend has raised the issue of so-called 'sexual immorality' - thankfully the Church is never involved in controversies of that nature.
I was interested to hear that homosexuals manipulate the police - it reminded me of a documentary about homosexuals in the armed forces that was broadcast on C4 in the 1990s. Amongst other things, gays in the navy: - Can't swim - Attract enemy radar - Attract sharks - Insist on being placed at the Captain's table - Get up late - Nudge people whilst they're shooting and - Muck about I for one am glad that the Reverend has raised the issue of so-called 'sexual immorality' - thankfully the Church is never involved in controversies of that nature. tom_d
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1:17pm Thu 11 Jul 13

JohnnyDale says...

Wow!
We all know of course that ignorance and bigotry are pre-requisites to being a witch doctor in any of the world's major cults, but doesn't Mr Ratcliff know that he's not supposed to admit that to outsiders.
Wow! We all know of course that ignorance and bigotry are pre-requisites to being a witch doctor in any of the world's major cults, but doesn't Mr Ratcliff know that he's not supposed to admit that to outsiders. JohnnyDale
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3:06pm Thu 11 Jul 13

davewimbeldon says...

The speech might not have been inciting violence but the preacher admits deliberately insulting homosexuals (claiming laws on public insult have now changed). It is very bad manners and extremely rude to stand on a street and loudly proclaim that some people are an abomination. Especially when it's based on nothing else but superstition. Homosexual orientation is perfectly natural although most people are heteroseuxal and this anglican priests claim that it can be given up easily is ridiculed by most people who actually know something about homosexual orientation like LGBT people themselves as well as professional researchers, counsellors, psychologists and sociologists. The reverend Radcliffe should stick to speaking about things he knows something about.
The speech might not have been inciting violence but the preacher admits deliberately insulting homosexuals (claiming laws on public insult have now changed). It is very bad manners and extremely rude to stand on a street and loudly proclaim that some people are an abomination. Especially when it's based on nothing else but superstition. Homosexual orientation is perfectly natural although most people are heteroseuxal and this anglican priests claim that it can be given up easily is ridiculed by most people who actually know something about homosexual orientation like LGBT people themselves as well as professional researchers, counsellors, psychologists and sociologists. The reverend Radcliffe should stick to speaking about things he knows something about. davewimbeldon
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6:42pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

I am sorry that the reporter says that I said that Princess Diana style funerals should be banned when I only explained to her yesterday on the phone, (and she clearly heard and understood me) that I did not say that such funerals should be banned but only that I would not conduct such funerals myself.

For further details of the "born-gay" hoax you only have to read Peter Tatchell and others of his sort. There is an article quoting them in the current edition of English Churchman on page 2 which is at www.cofec.org/sermon
s/7875.
Be prepared to be shocked and wake up to the brainwashing that is blinding many - just like the blind belief in evolution!

Of course only sensational sounding things are reported but I also said much more about how God has changed very many people and lifted us out of all sorts of perils. I include myself. Don't you remember that Jesus said even of the most difficult things, What is impossible with man is possible with God, for with God all things are possible? That is the testimony of millions of Christians! God's grace to save us!

The ex-Gay movement offers hope to those who have been condemned to misery by the depressing "you are born that way" mantra.

If you feel "born that way" there is hope. Jesus says you can and must "be born again".

Meanwhile as Tony Miano pointed out in his preaching, it is not just homosexuals who have gone astray. He does not forget to preach against the vile habit of people now in Britain to almost universally live together outside of marriage. Then when they get married, if they do, many abandon each other and leave their children all confused and rejected etc etc.

Again, the answer is in Jesus. Muslims are fasting by day, but we don't. Why? Simply because our way to heaven has been made for us by Jesus Christ who fasted forty days and forty nights and after that resisted the temptation to turn stones into bread. However the greatest thing he did was to die on the cross to take the just punishment for the sins of his people. This was vindicated by his resurrection from the dead. That is the only hope we have. That is what saved England in the 18th Century from a being a den of iniquity when everyone was drunk on gin, and that is what is needed today.

He said, I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly.

If you are lost in sin and far from God, then we are here to help you, whatever your condition. Please be assured that you can expect only courtesy and confidentiality, whatever you throw at us. Many who have initially hurled stones at Christians have gone on to apologise for what they have done and have found grace and peace from God. May that be your happy future too!
I am sorry that the reporter says that I said that Princess Diana style funerals should be banned when I only explained to her yesterday on the phone, (and she clearly heard and understood me) that I did not say that such funerals should be banned but only that I would not conduct such funerals myself. For further details of the "born-gay" hoax you only have to read Peter Tatchell and others of his sort. There is an article quoting them in the current edition of English Churchman on page 2 which is at www.cofec.org/sermon s/7875. Be prepared to be shocked and wake up to the brainwashing that is blinding many - just like the blind belief in evolution! Of course only sensational sounding things are reported but I also said much more about how God has changed very many people and lifted us out of all sorts of perils. I include myself. Don't you remember that Jesus said even of the most difficult things, What is impossible with man is possible with God, for with God all things are possible? That is the testimony of millions of Christians! God's grace to save us! The ex-Gay movement offers hope to those who have been condemned to misery by the depressing "you are born that way" mantra. If you feel "born that way" there is hope. Jesus says you can and must "be born again". Meanwhile as Tony Miano pointed out in his preaching, it is not just homosexuals who have gone astray. He does not forget to preach against the vile habit of people now in Britain to almost universally live together outside of marriage. Then when they get married, if they do, many abandon each other and leave their children all confused and rejected etc etc. Again, the answer is in Jesus. Muslims are fasting by day, but we don't. Why? Simply because our way to heaven has been made for us by Jesus Christ who fasted forty days and forty nights and after that resisted the temptation to turn stones into bread. However the greatest thing he did was to die on the cross to take the just punishment for the sins of his people. This was vindicated by his resurrection from the dead. That is the only hope we have. That is what saved England in the 18th Century from a being a den of iniquity when everyone was drunk on gin, and that is what is needed today. He said, I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly. If you are lost in sin and far from God, then we are here to help you, whatever your condition. Please be assured that you can expect only courtesy and confidentiality, whatever you throw at us. Many who have initially hurled stones at Christians have gone on to apologise for what they have done and have found grace and peace from God. May that be your happy future too! RevPeterRatcliff
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7:11pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Perhaps readers need evidence to support the claim here that homosexuals are manipulating police. This is really an understatement as it is not just police, but the whole of society that has become conditioned into believing that homosexuality is nothing other than good. In the space of about 50 years since the 1960s social revolution the UK has gone from being something of a moral country under God into something far more like biblical Sodom.

Section 5 of the Public Order Act was introduced to protect the public from riots and football yobs etc.
It was not envisaged that it would be used against Christians teaching basic Bible teaching or acting on the basis of it.

What other groups are using this law to attempt to silence their critics? I cannot think of any. that is why I say that the police are being manipulated. And again, as I said before, it is not just the police.

In a few years a perversion that was once a crime has not only become tolerated but those who even question whether it is natural are now persecuted. Isn't there something rather creepy about that in a free country?

Again, people object to the word perversion. Yet if you go back to Genesis at the beginning of the Bible you will rediscover the wonderful creation of man and woman for each other. If God had created only two men then all would have been in vain. Yet here God created a stable basis for society. Male and female are distinct, complementary and yet equal in value. The two are confused at our peril. We are a Protestant Christian nation yet we accuse those who preach such things of committing a crime!

This case of a preacher being arrested is not a one-off. Many cases have been defended, for example, by the Christian Institute and Christian Legal Centre.

Personally when I undertake open air preaching from time to time I do not major on this issue. There are many sins which are pandemic in this country. I have mentioned sex before marriage as one. But there is also the common practice of lying, of being proud, of being vain and living as if God does not exist. The sin of adultery is magnified through ****. Less common, but not as rare as they should be are murder, rape and child abuse. Theft is commonplace from the poorest druggie to the richest tax evader.

But of course the great subject of preaching is Jesus Christ himself. He is the only one who can do the things that to us seem so utterly impossible. He is the one who kept my wife and I when we lost our darling little girl. He is the one who keeps the elderly who trust in him as they face the hardest period of life. He is the one who gives us cheer when we despair of ourselves and see so little good in this world.

My closing prayer is that you, dear reader, may know this great God and Saviour and what it is to have everlasting life.
Perhaps readers need evidence to support the claim here that homosexuals are manipulating police. This is really an understatement as it is not just police, but the whole of society that has become conditioned into believing that homosexuality is nothing other than good. In the space of about 50 years since the 1960s social revolution the UK has gone from being something of a moral country under God into something far more like biblical Sodom. Section 5 of the Public Order Act was introduced to protect the public from riots and football yobs etc. It was not envisaged that it would be used against Christians teaching basic Bible teaching or acting on the basis of it. What other groups are using this law to attempt to silence their critics? I cannot think of any. that is why I say that the police are being manipulated. And again, as I said before, it is not just the police. In a few years a perversion that was once a crime has not only become tolerated but those who even question whether it is natural are now persecuted. Isn't there something rather creepy about that in a free country? Again, people object to the word perversion. Yet if you go back to Genesis at the beginning of the Bible you will rediscover the wonderful creation of man and woman for each other. If God had created only two men then all would have been in vain. Yet here God created a stable basis for society. Male and female are distinct, complementary and yet equal in value. The two are confused at our peril. We are a Protestant Christian nation yet we accuse those who preach such things of committing a crime! This case of a preacher being arrested is not a one-off. Many cases have been defended, for example, by the Christian Institute and Christian Legal Centre. Personally when I undertake open air preaching from time to time I do not major on this issue. There are many sins which are pandemic in this country. I have mentioned sex before marriage as one. But there is also the common practice of lying, of being proud, of being vain and living as if God does not exist. The sin of adultery is magnified through ****. Less common, but not as rare as they should be are murder, rape and child abuse. Theft is commonplace from the poorest druggie to the richest tax evader. But of course the great subject of preaching is Jesus Christ himself. He is the only one who can do the things that to us seem so utterly impossible. He is the one who kept my wife and I when we lost our darling little girl. He is the one who keeps the elderly who trust in him as they face the hardest period of life. He is the one who gives us cheer when we despair of ourselves and see so little good in this world. My closing prayer is that you, dear reader, may know this great God and Saviour and what it is to have everlasting life. RevPeterRatcliff
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7:22pm Thu 11 Jul 13

tom_d says...

People are born gay. People are not born religious. Which is more natural?
People are born gay. People are not born religious. Which is more natural? tom_d
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7:31pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

I might add that while the headline may be catchy, I am not trivialising the difficulty involved in this matter. First of all there is nothing easy about giving up smoking! But neither is it impossible.
Likewise sexual sin is no minor matter. Yet again I repeat that Jesus said that with God nothing is impossible.

I remember when I first became a Christian and I realised how bad I was and realised that if it was up to me I would never be good enough for heaven. Then i remembered Jesus' words, I am the Good shepherd, my Father is stronger than all, none can snatch them (ie me) out of my Father's hand. So it is that we must cast all our cares on God and cry out to him for mercy.

Yes, I gave up smoking and drinking after a few years hard struggle. I know others who have given up all sorts of things like crime and terrorism and drugs and even homosexuality. The Bible is full of such people too.

How much might we achieve in Merton if people turned from sin and toward God through Jesus Christ!
I might add that while the headline may be catchy, I am not trivialising the difficulty involved in this matter. First of all there is nothing easy about giving up smoking! But neither is it impossible. Likewise sexual sin is no minor matter. Yet again I repeat that Jesus said that with God nothing is impossible. I remember when I first became a Christian and I realised how bad I was and realised that if it was up to me I would never be good enough for heaven. Then i remembered Jesus' words, I am the Good shepherd, my Father is stronger than all, none can snatch them (ie me) out of my Father's hand. So it is that we must cast all our cares on God and cry out to him for mercy. Yes, I gave up smoking and drinking after a few years hard struggle. I know others who have given up all sorts of things like crime and terrorism and drugs and even homosexuality. The Bible is full of such people too. How much might we achieve in Merton if people turned from sin and toward God through Jesus Christ! RevPeterRatcliff
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7:39pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

For your interest, this article originated from a letter I sent to the police, Stephen Hammond MP and the Wimbledon Guardian and was far more balanced than the way it is presented in this article. It reads as follows:

Dear Sir,
As a local Christian minister who has preached the Gospel in the streets in Merton and elsewhere during the last ten years, I have always had a very good and friendly relationship with our police.
On several occasions members of the public who initially have been angry and threatening, somewhat like those who called for the crucifixion of Jesus, have later come to their senses, calmed down and been very glad to talk with me about Jesus Christ.
For many years Christian preachers have also preached freely at large events such as the Epsom Derby, superstitious Anglo-Catholic shrines and Gay Pride Parades both in London and around the country, calling upon sinners to repent and turn to Jesus Christ to be saved. Such preaching is so hated by some that the police provide protection for the protesters. However, please note that such noble forthright preaching in no crime and in no case are these preachers stopped or charged with homophobia.
Police have in the past occasionally tried to stop street preachers condemning homosexuality by use of the Public Order Act, Section 5. However this law was intended to stop riots, not free speech and preaching. Recently the Government has clarified this law to prevent it being falsely used against Christian preachers.
Therefore it is very much to be regretted that police arrested a preacher in Wimbledon on July 1st and held him for questioning for 7 hours on the grounds that he was "homophobic". His Youtube video shows his entire speech and that he was in no way whatsoever inciting violence toward anybody. If anybody should be charged with hate it is his accuser who appears to have sworn at him.
In the USA there are now groups of ex-homosexuals who have been able to repent of homosexuality in the way that one might for example give up cigarettes or drugs.This confirms what the Apostle Paul wrote to ex-homosexuals and others in Corinth nearly 2000 years ago, "and such were some of you". Therefore preaching that calls upon people to stop being homosexual cannot be construed as hate.
If I myself had not been brought to Christ through Church outreach in Cornwall back in 1994, I do not doubt that my life would have continued in a dangerous downward spiral of depravity and destruction.
Today with the world in such a mess, the police should not be arresting but encouraging Christian preachers.
Therefore I call upon Merton Police to publicly apologise for such high handed use of the law and for allowing themselves to be manipulated by homosexuals who are evidently trying to silence those who not merely have biblical and moral objections to homosexuality but are proclaiming the way of eternal life through Jesus Christ to all people regardless of their present circumstances.
Yours faithfully,
Rev Peter Ratcliff
For your interest, this article originated from a letter I sent to the police, Stephen Hammond MP and the Wimbledon Guardian and was far more balanced than the way it is presented in this article. It reads as follows: Dear Sir, As a local Christian minister who has preached the Gospel in the streets in Merton and elsewhere during the last ten years, I have always had a very good and friendly relationship with our police. On several occasions members of the public who initially have been angry and threatening, somewhat like those who called for the crucifixion of Jesus, have later come to their senses, calmed down and been very glad to talk with me about Jesus Christ. For many years Christian preachers have also preached freely at large events such as the Epsom Derby, superstitious Anglo-Catholic shrines and Gay Pride Parades both in London and around the country, calling upon sinners to repent and turn to Jesus Christ to be saved. Such preaching is so hated by some that the police provide protection for the protesters. However, please note that such noble forthright preaching in no crime and in no case are these preachers stopped or charged with homophobia. Police have in the past occasionally tried to stop street preachers condemning homosexuality by use of the Public Order Act, Section 5. However this law was intended to stop riots, not free speech and preaching. Recently the Government has clarified this law to prevent it being falsely used against Christian preachers. Therefore it is very much to be regretted that police arrested a preacher in Wimbledon on July 1st and held him for questioning for 7 hours on the grounds that he was "homophobic". His Youtube video shows his entire speech and that he was in no way whatsoever inciting violence toward anybody. If anybody should be charged with hate it is his accuser who appears to have sworn at him. In the USA there are now groups of ex-homosexuals who have been able to repent of homosexuality in the way that one might for example give up cigarettes or drugs.This confirms what the Apostle Paul wrote to ex-homosexuals and others in Corinth nearly 2000 years ago, "and such were some of you". Therefore preaching that calls upon people to stop being homosexual cannot be construed as hate. If I myself had not been brought to Christ through Church outreach in Cornwall back in 1994, I do not doubt that my life would have continued in a dangerous downward spiral of depravity and destruction. Today with the world in such a mess, the police should not be arresting but encouraging Christian preachers. Therefore I call upon Merton Police to publicly apologise for such high handed use of the law and for allowing themselves to be manipulated by homosexuals who are evidently trying to silence those who not merely have biblical and moral objections to homosexuality but are proclaiming the way of eternal life through Jesus Christ to all people regardless of their present circumstances. Yours faithfully, Rev Peter Ratcliff RevPeterRatcliff
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9:04pm Thu 11 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Perhaps if the pious holier than thou Reverend were found to be capable of stringing a sentence together formulated in his own head that did not reference that book that he clearly knows nothing about, then he should be listened to.

"In the USA there are now groups of ex-homosexuals who have been able to repent of homosexuality"

Would that be Exodus International dear Rev.

An organization that hast recently shut down and apologized for all the harm they have caused to the LGBT community whereby its own founder is still gay.

http://www.huffingto
npost.com/2013/06/20
/exodus-internationa
l-shuts-down_n_34709
11.html

Perhaps the good Reverend should take heed of his teachings.

Matthew 7:1-3

"Judge not. Lest ye be judged."

Matthew 7:5

"....first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

And I'm pretty sure that the police are very capable of NOT being manipulated by gay people.

If there was such an entity as Satan. he is present in you given how you treat your fellow human beings.
Perhaps if the pious holier than thou Reverend were found to be capable of stringing a sentence together formulated in his own head that did not reference that book that he clearly knows nothing about, then he should be listened to. "In the USA there are now groups of ex-homosexuals who have been able to repent of homosexuality" Would that be Exodus International dear Rev. An organization that hast recently shut down and apologized for all the harm they have caused to the LGBT community whereby its own founder is still gay. http://www.huffingto npost.com/2013/06/20 /exodus-internationa l-shuts-down_n_34709 11.html Perhaps the good Reverend should take heed of his teachings. Matthew 7:1-3 "Judge not. Lest ye be judged." Matthew 7:5 "....first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." And I'm pretty sure that the police are very capable of NOT being manipulated by gay people. If there was such an entity as Satan. he is present in you given how you treat your fellow human beings. cocteaut
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10:55pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Dear cocteaut, (whoever you are).

I guess you are not coming from a Christian understanding.

The first thing is to sincerely turn to Christ for salvation and then the whole of life really opens up. That is what you get when you understand the verses in Matthew 7 that you quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. You need to understand them in the context, which is Jesus speaking about hypocrites. This oft misquoted verse cannot mean that all judging is banned otherwise we could have no courts and no prisons or punishments for criminals and things really would be out of control! Go back to Matthew 6 and you will see how the hypocrites give to charity, pray with vain repetition, fast self-righteously and are worldly rather than heavenly minded. The next thing then in Matthew 7 is that they are judging others without first judging themselves. It goes back to Matthew 5 where the Sermon on the Mount starts and where we find the qualities that a Christian should have, the first of which is to be "poor in spirit".

The article I read on ex-gays trying to get accepted was not the one you mentioned but here:

http://www.christian
post.com/news/first-
ever-ex-gay-pride-mo
nth-to-be-held-in-dc
-this-month-99184/

I am really not sure what to make of your last comment which was "If there was such an entity as Satan. he is present in you given how you treat your fellow human beings".

I do know however that such accusations were made to Jesus also and he said that his followers would be treated no better than himself.
"But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Matthew 12:24.
" If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18.

As for the verse Matthew 7:3, in 1994 when I was converted from a way ward lifestyle I can say that the log was taken out of my eye. Since then I have been endeavouring to help others to know the Lord.

I would like to be of further help and be assured that I have absolutely no hatred toward anyone. You might quote me Matthew 5:33-37 and say that I should not swear that I am telling you the truth. Again that passage refers to hypocrites who lied by swearing by things that they thought did not matter! However I will swear to you with my heart that I am absolutely sincere in what I say and that I desire only the very very best for all my neighbours including yourself. You may not believe that I am being honest with you but may I leave you with the thought that you started with: Matthew 7:1. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Will you at least work by the same rule that you require of me?
Dear cocteaut, (whoever you are). I guess you are not coming from a Christian understanding. The first thing is to sincerely turn to Christ for salvation and then the whole of life really opens up. That is what you get when you understand the verses in Matthew 7 that you quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. You need to understand them in the context, which is Jesus speaking about hypocrites. This oft misquoted verse cannot mean that all judging is banned otherwise we could have no courts and no prisons or punishments for criminals and things really would be out of control! Go back to Matthew 6 and you will see how the hypocrites give to charity, pray with vain repetition, fast self-righteously and are worldly rather than heavenly minded. The next thing then in Matthew 7 is that they are judging others without first judging themselves. It goes back to Matthew 5 where the Sermon on the Mount starts and where we find the qualities that a Christian should have, the first of which is to be "poor in spirit". The article I read on ex-gays trying to get accepted was not the one you mentioned but here: http://www.christian post.com/news/first- ever-ex-gay-pride-mo nth-to-be-held-in-dc -this-month-99184/ I am really not sure what to make of your last comment which was "If there was such an entity as Satan. he is present in you given how you treat your fellow human beings". I do know however that such accusations were made to Jesus also and he said that his followers would be treated no better than himself. "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils." Matthew 12:24. " If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you." John 15:18. As for the verse Matthew 7:3, in 1994 when I was converted from a way ward lifestyle I can say that the log was taken out of my eye. Since then I have been endeavouring to help others to know the Lord. I would like to be of further help and be assured that I have absolutely no hatred toward anyone. You might quote me Matthew 5:33-37 and say that I should not swear that I am telling you the truth. Again that passage refers to hypocrites who lied by swearing by things that they thought did not matter! However I will swear to you with my heart that I am absolutely sincere in what I say and that I desire only the very very best for all my neighbours including yourself. You may not believe that I am being honest with you but may I leave you with the thought that you started with: Matthew 7:1. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Will you at least work by the same rule that you require of me? RevPeterRatcliff
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11:04pm Thu 11 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

No. Because you are judging.

How dare you.

I as a gay man look after my mentally handicapped daughter of 32 years and your bile sickens me.

How dare you quote your bible to condemn me and my family.

PS. I'm also a GP. Don't even dare to come near my practice as you are not welcome.
No. Because you are judging. How dare you. I as a gay man look after my mentally handicapped daughter of 32 years and your bile sickens me. How dare you quote your bible to condemn me and my family. PS. I'm also a GP. Don't even dare to come near my practice as you are not welcome. cocteaut
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11:06pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

davewimbeldon wrote:
The speech might not have been inciting violence but the preacher admits deliberately insulting homosexuals (claiming laws on public insult have now changed). It is very bad manners and extremely rude to stand on a street and loudly proclaim that some people are an abomination. Especially when it's based on nothing else but superstition. Homosexual orientation is perfectly natural although most people are heteroseuxal and this anglican priests claim that it can be given up easily is ridiculed by most people who actually know something about homosexual orientation like LGBT people themselves as well as professional researchers, counsellors, psychologists and sociologists. The reverend Radcliffe should stick to speaking about things he knows something about.
If you listen to the speech you will find Mr Miano speaks very generally about sexual immorality. It includes those who "live together" outside of marriage. However whenever we preach about this common sin we never get these "fornicators" (to use a biblical expression) complaining that they have been insulted or offended.

As for preaching loudly, I myself prefer not to use loud amplification. However I will tell you another story. In the 18th Century a preacher called George Whitefield preached to tens of thousands at Kennington in the park with no amplification. They said he had such a powerful voice he could be heard a mile away. John Wesley did similar. They were mocked for being strict and called "methodists". However when they preached about the Saviour Jesus to poor minors at Kingswood, Bristol tears ran down their filthy cheeks and left white lines. If it is superstition that Jesus rose from the dead then history has no meaning and truth is fallen in the street. However in poorer countries than ours there are still millions of people turning to Jesus and becoming better for it, and that despite cruel persecution from Muslim and Communist regimes. Superstition does no good but it was said of Jesus Christ, "he hath done all things well". That is the testimony of those who have been honest about themselves and turned to him who died for sinners
[quote][p][bold]davewimbeldon[/bold] wrote: The speech might not have been inciting violence but the preacher admits deliberately insulting homosexuals (claiming laws on public insult have now changed). It is very bad manners and extremely rude to stand on a street and loudly proclaim that some people are an abomination. Especially when it's based on nothing else but superstition. Homosexual orientation is perfectly natural although most people are heteroseuxal and this anglican priests claim that it can be given up easily is ridiculed by most people who actually know something about homosexual orientation like LGBT people themselves as well as professional researchers, counsellors, psychologists and sociologists. The reverend Radcliffe should stick to speaking about things he knows something about.[/p][/quote]If you listen to the speech you will find Mr Miano speaks very generally about sexual immorality. It includes those who "live together" outside of marriage. However whenever we preach about this common sin we never get these "fornicators" (to use a biblical expression) complaining that they have been insulted or offended. As for preaching loudly, I myself prefer not to use loud amplification. However I will tell you another story. In the 18th Century a preacher called George Whitefield preached to tens of thousands at Kennington in the park with no amplification. They said he had such a powerful voice he could be heard a mile away. John Wesley did similar. They were mocked for being strict and called "methodists". However when they preached about the Saviour Jesus to poor minors at Kingswood, Bristol tears ran down their filthy cheeks and left white lines. If it is superstition that Jesus rose from the dead then history has no meaning and truth is fallen in the street. However in poorer countries than ours there are still millions of people turning to Jesus and becoming better for it, and that despite cruel persecution from Muslim and Communist regimes. Superstition does no good but it was said of Jesus Christ, "he hath done all things well". That is the testimony of those who have been honest about themselves and turned to him who died for sinners RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

11:07pm Thu 11 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

cocteaut wrote:
No. Because you are judging.

How dare you.

I as a gay man look after my mentally handicapped daughter of 32 years and your bile sickens me.

How dare you quote your bible to condemn me and my family.

PS. I'm also a GP. Don't even dare to come near my practice as you are not welcome.
And to add to that, no end of prostitutes and drug addicts come to me.

Difference is. I help them You just condemn behind your holy bible.

Who is doing your gods work there hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]cocteaut[/bold] wrote: No. Because you are judging. How dare you. I as a gay man look after my mentally handicapped daughter of 32 years and your bile sickens me. How dare you quote your bible to condemn me and my family. PS. I'm also a GP. Don't even dare to come near my practice as you are not welcome.[/p][/quote]And to add to that, no end of prostitutes and drug addicts come to me. Difference is. I help them You just condemn behind your holy bible. Who is doing your gods work there hypocrite. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

11:10pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

tom_d wrote:
I was interested to hear that homosexuals manipulate the police - it reminded me of a documentary about homosexuals in the armed forces that was broadcast on C4 in the 1990s. Amongst other things, gays in the navy:

- Can't swim
- Attract enemy radar
- Attract sharks
- Insist on being placed at the Captain's table
- Get up late
- Nudge people whilst they're shooting

and

- Muck about

I for one am glad that the Reverend has raised the issue of so-called 'sexual immorality' - thankfully the Church is never involved in controversies of that nature.
Dear Tom,
I cannot account for the C4 documentary but I can tell you that in our church - The Church of England (Continuing) - a minister who is found guilty of sexual immorality, or other immorality will be put out of the ministry. It will not be covered up as is the manner of some churches such as Rome whom we find just as abominable as you do.
[quote][p][bold]tom_d[/bold] wrote: I was interested to hear that homosexuals manipulate the police - it reminded me of a documentary about homosexuals in the armed forces that was broadcast on C4 in the 1990s. Amongst other things, gays in the navy: - Can't swim - Attract enemy radar - Attract sharks - Insist on being placed at the Captain's table - Get up late - Nudge people whilst they're shooting and - Muck about I for one am glad that the Reverend has raised the issue of so-called 'sexual immorality' - thankfully the Church is never involved in controversies of that nature.[/p][/quote]Dear Tom, I cannot account for the C4 documentary but I can tell you that in our church - The Church of England (Continuing) - a minister who is found guilty of sexual immorality, or other immorality will be put out of the ministry. It will not be covered up as is the manner of some churches such as Rome whom we find just as abominable as you do. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

11:43pm Thu 11 Jul 13

powerinjesusblood says...

Seems to me the Rev is talking an awful lot of common sense. This country would not be in such a mess if there were more ministers like him.
Seems to me the Rev is talking an awful lot of common sense. This country would not be in such a mess if there were more ministers like him. powerinjesusblood
  • Score: 1

6:19am Fri 12 Jul 13

bos scat says...

just popped onto peter ratcliff's face book and it seems that he likes to encourage insulting muslims too...
https://www.facebook
.com/peter.ratcliff.
39?ref=ts&fref=ts

"Ramadan Evangelism.

Note that many Muslims can't help telling you that they are fasting. Best not be critical as we should feel sorry for them and they don't know any different.
Just say, "It must be hard with Ramadan falling at midsummer but at least you you have a few hours of darkness to feast. By the way, did you hear about my friend who fasted for forty days and yet did not eat during the nights either? Do you know how he resisted satan after that?" etc.
If it looks like time will be very short, say what I said to a man in the supermarket tonight when he refused the reduced price chocolate cake I showed him as we both hunted for bargains. He told me he was about to start this fasting. I didn't ask why he could not eat the cake after dark with his other food but just told him that I did not have to fast because Jesus had done all necessary to save us so no fasting was required. Unusually for a dark skinned man I could see him blush. Nothing more was said so I just politely wished him good night."
just popped onto peter ratcliff's face book and it seems that he likes to encourage insulting muslims too... https://www.facebook .com/peter.ratcliff. 39?ref=ts&fref=ts "Ramadan Evangelism. Note that many Muslims can't help telling you that they are fasting. Best not be critical as we should feel sorry for them and they don't know any different. Just say, "It must be hard with Ramadan falling at midsummer but at least you you have a few hours of darkness to feast. By the way, did you hear about my friend who fasted for forty days and yet did not eat during the nights either? Do you know how he resisted satan after that?" etc. If it looks like time will be very short, say what I said to a man in the supermarket tonight when he refused the reduced price chocolate cake I showed him as we both hunted for bargains. He told me he was about to start this fasting. I didn't ask why he could not eat the cake after dark with his other food but just told him that I did not have to fast because Jesus had done all necessary to save us so no fasting was required. Unusually for a dark skinned man I could see him blush. Nothing more was said so I just politely wished him good night." bos scat
  • Score: 0

7:39am Fri 12 Jul 13

Old Paths says...

I am pleased to note that Rev Peter Ratcliff is standing foursquare on the authority of Holy Scripture and what the Bible says about Homosexuality. We need more to take up the case of Tony Miano who was explaining the law of God when Merton Police attempted to silence him. Such does not bode well for Christians in England or throughout the UK. May our liberties be preserved and the name of the Lord Jesus Christ be exalted in the open air. Romans 1 v 16
I am pleased to note that Rev Peter Ratcliff is standing foursquare on the authority of Holy Scripture and what the Bible says about Homosexuality. We need more to take up the case of Tony Miano who was explaining the law of God when Merton Police attempted to silence him. Such does not bode well for Christians in England or throughout the UK. May our liberties be preserved and the name of the Lord Jesus Christ be exalted in the open air. Romans 1 v 16 Old Paths
  • Score: 1

7:50am Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

The fact is that the police arrested and held Tony Miano for 7 hours because he said something quite innocuous. It should be noted that the video here is the one that Mr Miano posted himself, filmed by his colleague. It contains the whole episode from the beginning of his preaching until his arrest. And despite this the police were unable and unwilling to prosecute him. That is why i say that it looks like the police were manipulated. Why else would they hold an innocent man for 7 hours? What other section of society are capable of making complaints that "someone has offended me" that might result in such treatment? And as I said, it is not merely the police, but the media, the government, the schools etc etc who are all bowing down to this idolatry.

Thanks also to David Skinner for his comment above. Especially note that he also is not ashamed to use his own name.

As for Bos Scat (whoever you are!) I fail to see why my Facebook status is an insult to Muslims.Is it insulting not to agree with everybody? that is clearly nonsense.

To fast for a month during daylight hours when Ramadan falls in midsummer is no mean feat, yet as far as earning favour with God is concerned, it is in vain. Jesus Christ is the only Saviour. Therefore as Islam firmly denies that Jesus even died on the cross, all such efforts as Ramadan will not achieve anything.

Which brings us to the subject of "phobias". A person who is afraid of something has a phobia. However Islamophobia and Homophobia are misleading expressions that imply that a person who does not agree with these things acts out of a spirit of hatred towards those who are ensnared by them. This again is absolute nonsense.

Articles on these and other subjects have appeared over the years in English Churchman, an archive of which is available at www.englishchurchman
.com
The fact is that the police arrested and held Tony Miano for 7 hours because he said something quite innocuous. It should be noted that the video here is the one that Mr Miano posted himself, filmed by his colleague. It contains the whole episode from the beginning of his preaching until his arrest. And despite this the police were unable and unwilling to prosecute him. That is why i say that it looks like the police were manipulated. Why else would they hold an innocent man for 7 hours? What other section of society are capable of making complaints that "someone has offended me" that might result in such treatment? And as I said, it is not merely the police, but the media, the government, the schools etc etc who are all bowing down to this idolatry. Thanks also to David Skinner for his comment above. Especially note that he also is not ashamed to use his own name. As for Bos Scat (whoever you are!) I fail to see why my Facebook status is an insult to Muslims.Is it insulting not to agree with everybody? that is clearly nonsense. To fast for a month during daylight hours when Ramadan falls in midsummer is no mean feat, yet as far as earning favour with God is concerned, it is in vain. Jesus Christ is the only Saviour. Therefore as Islam firmly denies that Jesus even died on the cross, all such efforts as Ramadan will not achieve anything. Which brings us to the subject of "phobias". A person who is afraid of something has a phobia. However Islamophobia and Homophobia are misleading expressions that imply that a person who does not agree with these things acts out of a spirit of hatred towards those who are ensnared by them. This again is absolute nonsense. Articles on these and other subjects have appeared over the years in English Churchman, an archive of which is available at www.englishchurchman .com RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

8:10am Fri 12 Jul 13

davewimbeldon says...

Homophobia is perhaps a poor word to use when actually what you are displaying is prejudice that homosexuals are somehow inferior. Prejudice based on superstitious religious beliefs is still prejudice. David skinners childish attempts to insinuate that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles and cannibals, can I think, be seen for what it is by most people as manipulative, prejudiced and distasteful. Maybe if you had spent your life being verbally abused by religious people and had experienced discrimination and assault you might not see someone telling you that a fundamental part of you is an abomination,as "quite innocuous". Everyone can spout opinions on the street but if they do they need to take account of the consequences of doing so, that they may cause hurt, vilify others and be seen to be prejudiced and mean spirited.
Homophobia is perhaps a poor word to use when actually what you are displaying is prejudice that homosexuals are somehow inferior. Prejudice based on superstitious religious beliefs is still prejudice. David skinners childish attempts to insinuate that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles and cannibals, can I think, be seen for what it is by most people as manipulative, prejudiced and distasteful. Maybe if you had spent your life being verbally abused by religious people and had experienced discrimination and assault you might not see someone telling you that a fundamental part of you is an abomination,as "quite innocuous". Everyone can spout opinions on the street but if they do they need to take account of the consequences of doing so, that they may cause hurt, vilify others and be seen to be prejudiced and mean spirited. davewimbeldon
  • Score: -1

8:35am Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

A phobia is an irrational hatred and fear of something. So when someone says to another person, you are a narrow - minded homophobic bigot, you are actually saying that person is mentally sick. Not only is this highly offensive and slanderous, but there has not been one recorded, clinically diagnosed case of homophobia anywhere in the world, apart from within the fevered imaginations of the PC brigade.

The antithesis of a phobia, is a philia. This is an irrational and excessive love of something or someone, where a person loses all sense of reality and proportion. So those who are narrow- minded, homophile bigots also need therapy and counselling.

On the other hand if homophilia is genetic so then is homophobia. One could rightly claim that one was born a homophobe and that one came from a long ancestry of homophobes. One could even say that one had struggled all one's life with homophobic feelings, to the point of feeling suicidal; but that now, one was now out and proud of being a homophobe. Indeed one could say that if it were not for the fact that society was dominated by homophiles, a lot more people would be homophobes. Indeed everyone would express their homophobic potential. Indeed we ought to have a London homophobic Parade. Having said that, I would say that London Pride with its practically naked men dressed as sado - masochists and animals and its open hatred of all that is good, pure and true, already incites violent hatred in the hearts of the silent majority when they view such scenes of depravity. Homophobia is self fulfilling prophecy. The tolerance of the public will go so far. If the gays continue to push their proclivities into our faces, they can only expect certain consequences. I do not wish that on them, but historically this has happened in every culture where homosexuality has briefly dominated society. I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them. This is all going to end in tears.
A phobia is an irrational hatred and fear of something. So when someone says to another person, you are a narrow - minded homophobic bigot, you are actually saying that person is mentally sick. Not only is this highly offensive and slanderous, but there has not been one recorded, clinically diagnosed case of homophobia anywhere in the world, apart from within the fevered imaginations of the PC brigade. The antithesis of a phobia, is a philia. This is an irrational and excessive love of something or someone, where a person loses all sense of reality and proportion. So those who are narrow- minded, homophile bigots also need therapy and counselling. On the other hand if homophilia is genetic so then is homophobia. One could rightly claim that one was born a homophobe and that one came from a long ancestry of homophobes. One could even say that one had struggled all one's life with homophobic feelings, to the point of feeling suicidal; but that now, one was now out and proud of being a homophobe. Indeed one could say that if it were not for the fact that society was dominated by homophiles, a lot more people would be homophobes. Indeed everyone would express their homophobic potential. Indeed we ought to have a London homophobic Parade. Having said that, I would say that London Pride with its practically naked men dressed as sado - masochists and animals and its open hatred of all that is good, pure and true, already incites violent hatred in the hearts of the silent majority when they view such scenes of depravity. Homophobia is self fulfilling prophecy. The tolerance of the public will go so far. If the gays continue to push their proclivities into our faces, they can only expect certain consequences. I do not wish that on them, but historically this has happened in every culture where homosexuality has briefly dominated society. I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them. This is all going to end in tears. David Skinner
  • Score: 1

9:15am Fri 12 Jul 13

tom_d says...

"I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them."

The irony...
"I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them." The irony... tom_d
  • Score: -1

9:18am Fri 12 Jul 13

tom_d says...

On his Facebook page the 'Reverend' likens moderate Islam to moderate drug use

"Just Thinking: Moderate Islam must be akin to moderate narcotic drug use. It doesn't seem to do any harm at the time but the danger of addiction and consequent harm to both self and others is extremely high."
On his Facebook page the 'Reverend' likens moderate Islam to moderate drug use "Just Thinking: Moderate Islam must be akin to moderate narcotic drug use. It doesn't seem to do any harm at the time but the danger of addiction and consequent harm to both self and others is extremely high." tom_d
  • Score: -1

9:25am Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Ignore David Skinner.

He is a constant Troll on Pink News and regularly banned from the forums.

Also.

I think the Reverends obsession with other peoples sex lives is rather creepy and sick.
Ignore David Skinner. He is a constant Troll on Pink News and regularly banned from the forums. Also. I think the Reverends obsession with other peoples sex lives is rather creepy and sick. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

9:47am Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

I see that the case for such "manipulation" of society is not new:

http://www.lifesiten
ews.com/news/the-six
-ways-homosexual-act
ivists-manipulate-pu
blic-opinion/

As for hatred and insulting language I suggest that you will not hear it from me but from the gay activist websites that have already picked up on this story.
I see that the case for such "manipulation" of society is not new: http://www.lifesiten ews.com/news/the-six -ways-homosexual-act ivists-manipulate-pu blic-opinion/ As for hatred and insulting language I suggest that you will not hear it from me but from the gay activist websites that have already picked up on this story. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

10:17am Fri 12 Jul 13

tom_d says...

If God didn't want people to be gay how come prayers end with the words "ahhh...men" ?
If God didn't want people to be gay how come prayers end with the words "ahhh...men" ? tom_d
  • Score: -1

10:19am Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

tom_d wrote:
"I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them."

The irony...
There is no irony here. The Marxist gaystapo have deliberately polarized and dividend society, setting one section of society against another. It is called divide and rule. Gradually as society becomes more anarchic and nihilistic, and the police state becomes stronger, the dissident voice of whatever persuasion will be silenced until eventually there are no differences of opinion and the tyrant will rule- absolutely. The gays have performed their purpose will be the first no doubt to be disposed of.
[quote][p][bold]tom_d[/bold] wrote: "I have a real and rational fear of nasty elements in society who have a smouldering hatred of those who are different to them." The irony...[/p][/quote]There is no irony here. The Marxist gaystapo have deliberately polarized and dividend society, setting one section of society against another. It is called divide and rule. Gradually as society becomes more anarchic and nihilistic, and the police state becomes stronger, the dissident voice of whatever persuasion will be silenced until eventually there are no differences of opinion and the tyrant will rule- absolutely. The gays have performed their purpose will be the first no doubt to be disposed of. David Skinner
  • Score: 1

11:20am Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

cocteaut wrote:
Ignore David Skinner.

He is a constant Troll on Pink News and regularly banned from the forums.

Also.

I think the Reverends obsession with other peoples sex lives is rather creepy and sick.
Ah , yes the true voice of gay tolerance, inclusion, diversity and equality.

The gay mind is pre- programmed to be logophobic- a hatred of God's word.

The gay mind can only bear to hear the sound of its own voice. It shouts down all reasonable debate and anyone who raises the slightest doubt about the "joys" of homosexuality. All it can do is repeat its mindless mantras of "Go home, go home!" or " We are queer and we are here." Failing that it merely moos like a cow. Once such a condition has taken hold there is sadly no remedy, except to take consolation in the following truths:

There's probably no God. That's good. (atheist)

Being gay is good. (Gay propagandist)

You will probably become gay if you reject God (Paul in Romans 1)

So stop worrying and enjoy the gay life (atheist)
[quote][p][bold]cocteaut[/bold] wrote: Ignore David Skinner. He is a constant Troll on Pink News and regularly banned from the forums. Also. I think the Reverends obsession with other peoples sex lives is rather creepy and sick.[/p][/quote]Ah , yes the true voice of gay tolerance, inclusion, diversity and equality. The gay mind is pre- programmed to be logophobic- a hatred of God's word. The gay mind can only bear to hear the sound of its own voice. It shouts down all reasonable debate and anyone who raises the slightest doubt about the "joys" of homosexuality. All it can do is repeat its mindless mantras of "Go home, go home!" or " We are queer and we are here." Failing that it merely moos like a cow. Once such a condition has taken hold there is sadly no remedy, except to take consolation in the following truths: There's probably no God. That's good. (atheist) Being gay is good. (Gay propagandist) You will probably become gay if you reject God (Paul in Romans 1) So stop worrying and enjoy the gay life (atheist) David Skinner
  • Score: 1

11:23am Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Gays are just trying to get on with life.

It is sad little trolls like you obsessed with other peoples sex lives that keeps getting in the way of that.

Why are you obsessed with other peoples sex lives?????????

Is your own really that bad?
Gays are just trying to get on with life. It is sad little trolls like you obsessed with other peoples sex lives that keeps getting in the way of that. Why are you obsessed with other peoples sex lives????????? Is your own really that bad? cocteaut
  • Score: -1

11:24am Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

PS Reverend.

You are a disgrace to the cloth.
PS Reverend. You are a disgrace to the cloth. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

11:41am Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

tom_d wrote:
On his Facebook page the 'Reverend' likens moderate Islam to moderate drug use

"Just Thinking: Moderate Islam must be akin to moderate narcotic drug use. It doesn't seem to do any harm at the time but the danger of addiction and consequent harm to both self and others is extremely high."
The point is that all Muslims follow Mohammed. Some do this moderately and others do so zealously but essentially there is no difference as there is much debate as to the correct way to go about following Mohammed.

You must also remember that Muslims have little choice over this as there is such a thing as an apostasy law in Islam that is anything but moderate. Those who become Christians face severe persecution or even death in many countries. While many Muslims may go along quietly you will find that in Islamic countries they are not the ones in power. How often do we hear that terrorists were once only moderate Muslims? Of course we are thankful that many Muslims are moderate and our hope is that they would turn to Christ rather than follow Mohammed ever more zealously.

There is a danger in Islam, as there is for all who reject the God of the Bible. God who is our judge and will not be mocked. If we take what the Bible says about the devil and sin seriously then we can only conclude that before conversion to Christ people are under the power and influence of the devil. This applies as much to the average British liberal as it does to the most fervent Islamist.

Meanwhile, presuming you are the Tom Davis who has just started following me on Twitter, I won't be following you on Twitter due to your use of the F word even when talking about cricket! Typically I find that those who are so critical of Christians are found wanting when we take a look at their social media pages. As one said above, let us judge ourselves rather than others. Whatever people say about Christians I trust you will find us polite in debate and that itself may convict you.

O,looking back over pre-Christian years, and many friends do the same, we can only say we are so thankful to God for having mercy on us sinners. Jesus is good whatever those who mock him and crucify him say.

Tom, I hope you find other useful things on my Facebook page, but above all I pray that you will find the wonderful saviour, Jesus Christ. May you know the joy of sins forgiven and the blessing of everlasting life through him.
[quote][p][bold]tom_d[/bold] wrote: On his Facebook page the 'Reverend' likens moderate Islam to moderate drug use "Just Thinking: Moderate Islam must be akin to moderate narcotic drug use. It doesn't seem to do any harm at the time but the danger of addiction and consequent harm to both self and others is extremely high."[/p][/quote]The point is that all Muslims follow Mohammed. Some do this moderately and others do so zealously but essentially there is no difference as there is much debate as to the correct way to go about following Mohammed. You must also remember that Muslims have little choice over this as there is such a thing as an apostasy law in Islam that is anything but moderate. Those who become Christians face severe persecution or even death in many countries. While many Muslims may go along quietly you will find that in Islamic countries they are not the ones in power. How often do we hear that terrorists were once only moderate Muslims? Of course we are thankful that many Muslims are moderate and our hope is that they would turn to Christ rather than follow Mohammed ever more zealously. There is a danger in Islam, as there is for all who reject the God of the Bible. God who is our judge and will not be mocked. If we take what the Bible says about the devil and sin seriously then we can only conclude that before conversion to Christ people are under the power and influence of the devil. This applies as much to the average British liberal as it does to the most fervent Islamist. Meanwhile, presuming you are the Tom Davis who has just started following me on Twitter, I won't be following you on Twitter due to your use of the F word even when talking about cricket! Typically I find that those who are so critical of Christians are found wanting when we take a look at their social media pages. As one said above, let us judge ourselves rather than others. Whatever people say about Christians I trust you will find us polite in debate and that itself may convict you. O,looking back over pre-Christian years, and many friends do the same, we can only say we are so thankful to God for having mercy on us sinners. Jesus is good whatever those who mock him and crucify him say. Tom, I hope you find other useful things on my Facebook page, but above all I pray that you will find the wonderful saviour, Jesus Christ. May you know the joy of sins forgiven and the blessing of everlasting life through him. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

11:44am Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

Lord Monson said, during the debate, on the 3rd March, 2008, in the House of Lords, recounting a previous debate, fifty years ago, when the Wolfenden Report resulted in a relaxation of the homosexual laws, there was a voice of disquiet then:
“Yes, the Wolfenden proposals are all very well, but they are the thin end of the wedge. The pendulum is bound to swing too far in the other direction. Mark my words, before many years are out, they”—the more militant homosexuals and not, of course, the ordinary discreet sort—“will demand not merely toleration for their sexual activities—no problem about that—but positive respect, even admiration, for them”. ‘To which I (Lord Monson) replied, “Oh, come on. Nonsense. You’re being alarmist”. ‘With hindsight, I have to say that I was wrong and they were right.’

At the same time, 1967, when homosexuality was decriminalised, the Earl of Arran said,

"This is no occasion for jubilation; certainly not for celebration. Any form of ostentatious behaviour; now or in the future, any form of public flaunting, would be utterly distasteful and would, I believe, make the sponsors of the Bill regret that they have done what they have done. Homosexuals must continue to remember that while there may be nothing bad in being a homosexual, there is certainly nothing good. Lest the opponents of the Bill think that a new freedom, a new privileged class, has been created, let me remind them that no amount of legislation will prevent homosexuals from being the subject of dislike and derision, or at best of pity. We shall always, I fear, resent the odd man out. That is their burden for all time, and they must shoulder it like men—for men they are."

The truth is that gays are content with live and let live but are invading our schools and nurseries, intent on corrupting and grooming the nation's children. That is surely the interest and concern of every parent, who needs to take action before the gaystapo take complete control of every thought and action our children make.
Lord Monson said, during the debate, on the 3rd March, 2008, in the House of Lords, recounting a previous debate, fifty years ago, when the Wolfenden Report resulted in a relaxation of the homosexual laws, there was a voice of disquiet then: “Yes, the Wolfenden proposals are all very well, but they are the thin end of the wedge. The pendulum is bound to swing too far in the other direction. Mark my words, before many years are out, they”—the more militant homosexuals and not, of course, the ordinary discreet sort—“will demand not merely toleration for their sexual activities—no problem about that—but positive respect, even admiration, for them”. ‘To which I (Lord Monson) replied, “Oh, come on. Nonsense. You’re being alarmist”. ‘With hindsight, I have to say that I was wrong and they were right.’ At the same time, 1967, when homosexuality was decriminalised, the Earl of Arran said, "This is no occasion for jubilation; certainly not for celebration. Any form of ostentatious behaviour; now or in the future, any form of public flaunting, would be utterly distasteful and would, I believe, make the sponsors of the Bill regret that they have done what they have done. Homosexuals must continue to remember that while there may be nothing bad in being a homosexual, there is certainly nothing good. Lest the opponents of the Bill think that a new freedom, a new privileged class, has been created, let me remind them that no amount of legislation will prevent homosexuals from being the subject of dislike and derision, or at best of pity. We shall always, I fear, resent the odd man out. That is their burden for all time, and they must shoulder it like men—for men they are." The truth is that gays are content with live and let live but are invading our schools and nurseries, intent on corrupting and grooming the nation's children. That is surely the interest and concern of every parent, who needs to take action before the gaystapo take complete control of every thought and action our children make. David Skinner
  • Score: 1

11:48am Fri 12 Jul 13

bos scat says...

oh dear Reverend, whatever you are!

i didn't say your status was insulting to muslims i said you encourage people to insult muslims... and no it is not insulting to not agree with everyone and i did't say it was do you have a problem understanding other p[people no wonder everybody else disagrees with you(your words not mine)

and i love how you must think you where being clever when you wrote:
" Unusually for a dark skinned man I could see him blush. Nothing more was said so I just politely wished him good night."
......methinks the only reason you're not more racist on your fb page is the law, you sellout you roflmao
oh dear Reverend, whatever you are! i didn't say your status was insulting to muslims i said you encourage people to insult muslims... and no it is not insulting to not agree with everyone and i did't say it was do you have a problem understanding other p[people no wonder everybody else disagrees with you(your words not mine) and i love how you must think you where being clever when you wrote: " Unusually for a dark skinned man I could see him blush. Nothing more was said so I just politely wished him good night." ......methinks the only reason you're not more racist on your fb page is the law, you sellout you roflmao bos scat
  • Score: -1

11:48am Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

You are obsessed.

PS. It is paedophiles who are interested in children not homosexuals.
You are obsessed. PS. It is paedophiles who are interested in children not homosexuals. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

11:53am Fri 12 Jul 13

bos scat says...

david skinner.. in your last paragraph you seem to be describing religious schools.. sorry i didn't read your other stuff as you are easy to ignore lol
david skinner.. in your last paragraph you seem to be describing religious schools.. sorry i didn't read your other stuff as you are easy to ignore lol bos scat
  • Score: -1

12:05pm Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Are you advocating violence against gay people, Skinner.?

You are aware that that is knows as incitement.
Are you advocating violence against gay people, Skinner.? You are aware that that is knows as incitement. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

12:10pm Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

Finally,let me leave people with the true face of tolerant, temperate and decent gay activists. This is a compilation of comments made about me on Pink News. If Christians had used this kind of language on gays, our feet would not have touched the ground on the way to the Police station. But hey ho, the gays can say and do whatever they want. I have deleted the worst parts. Pink News erase my comments because they speak truth but allow this kind of naked hatred.

“David Skinner” you have been a total sad bigot, a person filled with hatred for an irrational reason………I have kicked you in the teeth. It is time for you to let the scales drop from your eyes, put aside your simple childish ways, and grow up! …“bigoted arseholes…” “David Skinner” you HAVE been kicked in the teeth, haven’t you!”……“So hatred still drips from your fangs and your very sick mind…………“D
avid Skinner believe in ‘god’. What a pity his ‘god’ is such a joyless, dreary shithead“…….
David Skinner” is so suffering from mental illness” ……..“What I am seriously suggesting is that it could well be that “David Skinner” is (clinically) a Paranoid Schizophrenic, relishing life in a world of his own devising, a world dominated and fuelled by his own irrational fears.”………
Jesus, David Skinner, your poor deluded fool……..So **** off with your healing and your “spiritual healing”……..
Your inability to answer that without spewing irrelevant garbage totally destroys your own case.”……….
Really, mind your own F**king business who I sleep with and how. It is not your concern.”…….Po
or David Skinner cannot become free of his serious mental illness, for he must realise that religious faith is a mental illness. However, a cause of electric-shock treatment might help………“What a mean old bully that Affidavit Skinnydip is! I doubt any nutty fundamentalist has ever even experienced love. Ah, l’amour…” …….“This poor sad twisted little Christian calling himself “David Skinner”…….“
This is the root of poor “David Skinner’s” massive mental problem”
…….“Go away you poor impoverished little creature. You are a primitive still plodding down there in the muck at the base of civilization’s ladder…….You’v
e been kicked in the teeth and you know you have no weapons left. …….Develop, evolve, . . . or continue to paddle around in your muck. ..“………“

Have a nice day
Finally,let me leave people with the true face of tolerant, temperate and decent gay activists. This is a compilation of comments made about me on Pink News. If Christians had used this kind of language on gays, our feet would not have touched the ground on the way to the Police station. But hey ho, the gays can say and do whatever they want. I have deleted the worst parts. Pink News erase my comments because they speak truth but allow this kind of naked hatred. “David Skinner” you have been a total sad bigot, a person filled with hatred for an irrational reason………I have kicked you in the teeth. It is time for you to let the scales drop from your eyes, put aside your simple childish ways, and grow up! …“bigoted arseholes…” “David Skinner” you HAVE been kicked in the teeth, haven’t you!”……“So hatred still drips from your fangs and your very sick mind…………“D avid Skinner believe in ‘god’. What a pity his ‘god’ is such a joyless, dreary shithead“……. David Skinner” is so suffering from mental illness” ……..“What I am seriously suggesting is that it could well be that “David Skinner” is (clinically) a Paranoid Schizophrenic, relishing life in a world of his own devising, a world dominated and fuelled by his own irrational fears.”……… Jesus, David Skinner, your poor deluded fool……..So **** off with your healing and your “spiritual healing”…….. Your inability to answer that without spewing irrelevant garbage totally destroys your own case.”………. Really, mind your own F**king business who I sleep with and how. It is not your concern.”…….Po or David Skinner cannot become free of his serious mental illness, for he must realise that religious faith is a mental illness. However, a cause of electric-shock treatment might help………“What a mean old bully that Affidavit Skinnydip is! I doubt any nutty fundamentalist has ever even experienced love. Ah, l’amour…” …….“This poor sad twisted little Christian calling himself “David Skinner”…….“ This is the root of poor “David Skinner’s” massive mental problem” …….“Go away you poor impoverished little creature. You are a primitive still plodding down there in the muck at the base of civilization’s ladder…….You’v e been kicked in the teeth and you know you have no weapons left. …….Develop, evolve, . . . or continue to paddle around in your muck. ..“………“ Have a nice day David Skinner
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

Defending oneself against rabid attack is not incitement to hatred. Everyone has a right and duty to defend their marriages, families and children: against all who are intent on destroying them.
Defending oneself against rabid attack is not incitement to hatred. Everyone has a right and duty to defend their marriages, families and children: against all who are intent on destroying them. David Skinner
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Just noticed that in the above article Lauren May says I am "furious".
It is not so.
I am not in the least bit furious whatsoever.
Fear not!

Another error in the report is that his speech was "caught on camera". Hardly! The film was made by his colleague, Bobby and Mr Miano posted the video himself. No doubt it served as proof that he was committing no crime. It is no doubt a good thing he made the film too as false charges can be so easily made on the basis of a sole accuser claiming to be insulted or offended!

As for being no stranger to controversy, I am afraid that vocal Christians will indeed have to deal with such things from time to time.

As for the insults to Muslims you may also note that I met local muslims in the Merton High Street mosque a few years ago for a debate set up by Hugh Muir of the Guardian. This was at a time when the mosque was applying for planning permission to demolish their single storey mosque and rebuild with 4 floors and towers. Very many neighbours objects. Mr Muir's article is rather cheeky but thankfully it did no harm to the good relationship I have with my muslim neighbours and mosque who fully understand that we have very different religions.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/uk/2010/sep/15
/hardline-according-
to-rev-ratcliff

On the Merton Council website there are hundreds of objections recorded against this mosque by neighbours but I guess that mine was unusual in that I mentioned the spiritual harm that mosques do to muslims who need to be freed from Islam rather than ensnared under its power. Planning permission was granted in Feb 2011. The building work has not yet begun.

The planning documents are here:

http://planning.mert
on.gov.uk/mvm/online
/dms/DocumentViewer.
aspx?pk=1000070747&S
earchType=Planning%2
0Application

My objection is here:
http://planning.mert
on.gov.uk/MVM.DMS/Pl
anning%20Application
/1000070000/10000707
47/10P1756_Represent
ations%2004.10.10.pd
f
Just noticed that in the above article Lauren May says I am "furious". It is not so. I am not in the least bit furious whatsoever. Fear not! Another error in the report is that his speech was "caught on camera". Hardly! The film was made by his colleague, Bobby and Mr Miano posted the video himself. No doubt it served as proof that he was committing no crime. It is no doubt a good thing he made the film too as false charges can be so easily made on the basis of a sole accuser claiming to be insulted or offended! As for being no stranger to controversy, I am afraid that vocal Christians will indeed have to deal with such things from time to time. As for the insults to Muslims you may also note that I met local muslims in the Merton High Street mosque a few years ago for a debate set up by Hugh Muir of the Guardian. This was at a time when the mosque was applying for planning permission to demolish their single storey mosque and rebuild with 4 floors and towers. Very many neighbours objects. Mr Muir's article is rather cheeky but thankfully it did no harm to the good relationship I have with my muslim neighbours and mosque who fully understand that we have very different religions. http://www.guardian. co.uk/uk/2010/sep/15 /hardline-according- to-rev-ratcliff On the Merton Council website there are hundreds of objections recorded against this mosque by neighbours but I guess that mine was unusual in that I mentioned the spiritual harm that mosques do to muslims who need to be freed from Islam rather than ensnared under its power. Planning permission was granted in Feb 2011. The building work has not yet begun. The planning documents are here: http://planning.mert on.gov.uk/mvm/online /dms/DocumentViewer. aspx?pk=1000070747&S earchType=Planning%2 0Application My objection is here: http://planning.mert on.gov.uk/MVM.DMS/Pl anning%20Application /1000070000/10000707 47/10P1756_Represent ations%2004.10.10.pd f RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

perhaps the reason you get such comments Skinner is because you come across as a thoroughly dislikeable person.

Perhaps the issue is yours given that so many people take upset at you.

What do you expect going onto a gay website and calling everyone names.

Dear oh dear...
perhaps the reason you get such comments Skinner is because you come across as a thoroughly dislikeable person. Perhaps the issue is yours given that so many people take upset at you. What do you expect going onto a gay website and calling everyone names. Dear oh dear... cocteaut
  • Score: -1

12:34pm Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

bos scat wrote:
oh dear Reverend, whatever you are!

i didn't say your status was insulting to muslims i said you encourage people to insult muslims... and no it is not insulting to not agree with everyone and i did't say it was do you have a problem understanding other p
What on earth is racist about saying that it is unusual to see a dark person blush? There is nothing racist about commenting on skin colour. I remember a black friend once commented on how white my skin was. I replied, "yes that is because I am a white man" and we laughed!

Search my page for racism and you will find none. Search my heart also - where so far the law does not go - and you will find no racism there either!

For your information there are probably far more brown and yellow people on their way to heaven than white ones and I am very much looking forward to being with them all there! Will you join us?

When I visited Togo, Africa some years ago I was the only white man in the city and for a while I forgot I was white! Does that make me a racist?

Unlike some in our country I enjoy asking people where they are from, not in order to be racist or to send them back there, but to show some genuine interest in my neighbours. I met a man from Portugal recently saying how he likes talking to people in Sainsbury's because English people are generally so unfriendly. Not me!
[quote][p][bold]bos scat[/bold] wrote: oh dear Reverend, whatever you are! i didn't say your status was insulting to muslims i said you encourage people to insult muslims... and no it is not insulting to not agree with everyone and i did't say it was do you have a problem understanding other p[people no wonder everybody else disagrees with you(your words not mine) and i love how you must think you where being clever when you wrote: " Unusually for a dark skinned man I could see him blush. Nothing more was said so I just politely wished him good night." ......methinks the only reason you're not more racist on your fb page is the law, you sellout you roflmao[/p][/quote]What on earth is racist about saying that it is unusual to see a dark person blush? There is nothing racist about commenting on skin colour. I remember a black friend once commented on how white my skin was. I replied, "yes that is because I am a white man" and we laughed! Search my page for racism and you will find none. Search my heart also - where so far the law does not go - and you will find no racism there either! For your information there are probably far more brown and yellow people on their way to heaven than white ones and I am very much looking forward to being with them all there! Will you join us? When I visited Togo, Africa some years ago I was the only white man in the city and for a while I forgot I was white! Does that make me a racist? Unlike some in our country I enjoy asking people where they are from, not in order to be racist or to send them back there, but to show some genuine interest in my neighbours. I met a man from Portugal recently saying how he likes talking to people in Sainsbury's because English people are generally so unfriendly. Not me! RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Fri 12 Jul 13

tom_d says...

I'd love to hear more about the Marxist gaystapo. Do they have uniforms? I bet they're fabulous.
I'd love to hear more about the Marxist gaystapo. Do they have uniforms? I bet they're fabulous. tom_d
  • Score: -1

12:50pm Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

Cocteaut who are you? I have a suspicion that you are like the Wizard of Oz who hides behind a curtain pretending that he is Mr Big. Please give your full name. Otherwise your comments are invalid.
Cocteaut who are you? I have a suspicion that you are like the Wizard of Oz who hides behind a curtain pretending that he is Mr Big. Please give your full name. Otherwise your comments are invalid. David Skinner
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Fri 12 Jul 13

tom_d says...

Mr Big was in Sex and the City, not The Wizard of Oz. Silly.
Mr Big was in Sex and the City, not The Wizard of Oz. Silly. tom_d
  • Score: -1

1:32pm Fri 12 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

tom_d wrote:
I'd love to hear more about the Marxist gaystapo. Do they have uniforms? I bet they're fabulous.
Try this for starters and then move onto Ernst Rohm, the founder of the SS movement and I don't mean the same- sex movement >

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=BIJe1xhp-
mE
[quote][p][bold]tom_d[/bold] wrote: I'd love to hear more about the Marxist gaystapo. Do they have uniforms? I bet they're fabulous.[/p][/quote]Try this for starters and then move onto Ernst Rohm, the founder of the SS movement and I don't mean the same- sex movement > http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=BIJe1xhp- mE David Skinner
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Fri 12 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Tom Cocteau.

Ergo. CocteauT

Not rocket science is it.
Tom Cocteau. Ergo. CocteauT Not rocket science is it. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

3:59pm Fri 12 Jul 13

bos scat says...

hi Rev, first of all why quote me calling you out for encouraging others to insult Muslims and then wax on about how what you said wasn't racist and that you have a black friend?
i did not say you had been racist i merely implied that you where walking on the edge with your tone! ...it's not unusual to see a dark skinned person blush you see, not uncommon at all, and because we know this we can see a little of your internal world leaking out :-) +i'm 50 I've heard all the racist jokes going! he he nice try
hi Rev, first of all why quote me calling you out for encouraging others to insult Muslims and then wax on about how what you said wasn't racist and that you have a black friend? i did not say you had been racist i merely implied that you where walking on the edge with your tone! ...it's not unusual to see a dark skinned person blush you see, not uncommon at all, and because we know this we can see a little of your internal world leaking out :-) +i'm 50 I've heard all the racist jokes going! he he nice try bos scat
  • Score: -1

7:51pm Fri 12 Jul 13

Reuben Pinder says...

Reverend, can I just say that 1) Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings. 2) When did you choose to be straight? 3) You're a **** moronic ****.
Reverend, can I just say that 1) Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings. 2) When did you choose to be straight? 3) You're a **** moronic ****. Reuben Pinder
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Fri 12 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Reuben Pinder wrote:
Reverend, can I just say that 1) Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings. 2) When did you choose to be straight? 3) You're a **** moronic ****.
1) Compare the 18th Century when they had also thought they had outgrown biblical teachings and even despised morality more than people do today. A good book on this is "England before and after Wesley" by Bready.
2) No choice here but I think that Mr Skinner answers this above.
3) Who is the one who is expressing phobia and hatred?
[quote][p][bold]Reuben Pinder[/bold] wrote: Reverend, can I just say that 1) Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings. 2) When did you choose to be straight? 3) You're a **** moronic ****.[/p][/quote]1) Compare the 18th Century when they had also thought they had outgrown biblical teachings and even despised morality more than people do today. A good book on this is "England before and after Wesley" by Bready. 2) No choice here but I think that Mr Skinner answers this above. 3) Who is the one who is expressing phobia and hatred? RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

10:58pm Fri 12 Jul 13

murtie says...

We applaud and salute Rev Peter Radcliff for once again defending the absolute truth of God’s word, as recorded in the Bible. If I can just add a few brief words to this debate. We of course endorse everything that Mr Radcliff said, coming from a genuine Bible believing ‘born again’ Christian. The Bible, in the highest sense, knows of no Christian but one who is ‘born again.’ Such a man will endeavor to speak the truth of God, in love and sincerity, to his fellow-sinner when he witnesses to them about their need of Christ and salvation. That was what Tony Miano was doing on Monday July 1st in Wimbledon – this was what Rev Peter Radcliff was doing when he spoke to the press afterwards, following this incident.

Can I add that every practicing homosexual should regard every genuine Christian as his best friend, because he will tell him the truth, whether he likes it or not, about his sin and guilt before God.

The homosexual must repent of his sin and believe the gospel of God's grace and mercy, in Jesus Christ, if he or she is to be saved and get to heaven. They too must repent and believe the gospel for eternal salvation. The Bible does not exempt the homosexual, if he practises his sin - there are no exceptions with God. Homosexual practice has to be repented of and forsaken, just like every other sin whether adultery, fornication, drunkenness, lying, thieving, thieving…etc etc. We certainly rejoice that no-one is so deep in sin that the grace of God is deeper still...to save sinners of every sort and background, even the homosexual and every other member of LGBT. God’s amazing grace does not exclude anyone.

I am not homophobic and neither do I vilify homosexuals. The grace of God, and the love of Christ, doesn’t allow for that.. As a Christian, and gospel evangelist, I am honest with them about what the Bible says about the practice of homosexuality and the eternal consequences if they continue to live this sin out. The good news is there is hope for the homosexual, in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the gospel that promotes the happiness and spiritual wellbeing of all sinners when they turn to God for forgiveness and salvation. Paul states that some at Corinth had engaged in homosexual acts, but they had been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 6:9-11.) The same can happen today. As anyone everyone who repents of their sin, the homosexual can also be forgiven. He can experience the same freedom and joy that any other sinner knows when he becomes a Christian. The Bible condemns homosexual sex but clearly states that non-practicing homosexuals can be saved, when they repent and believe the gospel “and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” (John 8: 32 & 36). What a Saviour He is to all who believe.
We applaud and salute Rev Peter Radcliff for once again defending the absolute truth of God’s word, as recorded in the Bible. If I can just add a few brief words to this debate. We of course endorse everything that Mr Radcliff said, coming from a genuine Bible believing ‘born again’ Christian. The Bible, in the highest sense, knows of no Christian but one who is ‘born again.’ Such a man will endeavor to speak the truth of God, in love and sincerity, to his fellow-sinner when he witnesses to them about their need of Christ and salvation. That was what Tony Miano was doing on Monday July 1st in Wimbledon – this was what Rev Peter Radcliff was doing when he spoke to the press afterwards, following this incident. Can I add that every practicing homosexual should regard every genuine Christian as his best friend, because he will tell him the truth, whether he likes it or not, about his sin and guilt before God. The homosexual must repent of his sin and believe the gospel of God's grace and mercy, in Jesus Christ, if he or she is to be saved and get to heaven. They too must repent and believe the gospel for eternal salvation. The Bible does not exempt the homosexual, if he practises his sin - there are no exceptions with God. Homosexual practice has to be repented of and forsaken, just like every other sin whether adultery, fornication, drunkenness, lying, thieving, thieving…etc etc. We certainly rejoice that no-one is so deep in sin that the grace of God is deeper still...to save sinners of every sort and background, even the homosexual and every other member of LGBT. God’s amazing grace does not exclude anyone. I am not homophobic and neither do I vilify homosexuals. The grace of God, and the love of Christ, doesn’t allow for that.. As a Christian, and gospel evangelist, I am honest with them about what the Bible says about the practice of homosexuality and the eternal consequences if they continue to live this sin out. The good news is there is hope for the homosexual, in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the gospel that promotes the happiness and spiritual wellbeing of all sinners when they turn to God for forgiveness and salvation. Paul states that some at Corinth had engaged in homosexual acts, but they had been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 6:9-11.) The same can happen today. As anyone everyone who repents of their sin, the homosexual can also be forgiven. He can experience the same freedom and joy that any other sinner knows when he becomes a Christian. The Bible condemns homosexual sex but clearly states that non-practicing homosexuals can be saved, when they repent and believe the gospel “and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” (John 8: 32 & 36). What a Saviour He is to all who believe. murtie
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Fri 12 Jul 13

murtie says...

If I can assure Reuben Pinder, when he states that “Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings” that God’s Word and His law is as unchangeable as God Himself: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand for ever." (Isaiah 40v8) God also tells us “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you…nor diminish from it." (Deuteronomy 4v2) Try as men will but the unerring truth of God’s Word can never be hushed up. It is society that is desperately in need of conforming to the teaching of God’s unchanging Word.
If I can assure Reuben Pinder, when he states that “Society has outgrown the stupidity of most biblical teachings” that God’s Word and His law is as unchangeable as God Himself: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand for ever." (Isaiah 40v8) God also tells us “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you…nor diminish from it." (Deuteronomy 4v2) Try as men will but the unerring truth of God’s Word can never be hushed up. It is society that is desperately in need of conforming to the teaching of God’s unchanging Word. murtie
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Sat 13 Jul 13

David Skinner says...

Murtie, amen to all that. You are like the cavalry coming over the hill. However, I hate to say that (judging by what those here say, who offend against the Holy Spirit on this strand), the Truth will only harden their hearts and darken their understanding even further. So, apart,from getting exercise in jousting, I do not think that anything is to be gained by casting our pearls before them.
Murtie, amen to all that. You are like the cavalry coming over the hill. However, I hate to say that (judging by what those here say, who offend against the Holy Spirit on this strand), the Truth will only harden their hearts and darken their understanding even further. So, apart,from getting exercise in jousting, I do not think that anything is to be gained by casting our pearls before them. David Skinner
  • Score: 1

11:40pm Sat 13 Jul 13

Bellamacl says...

....if any man suffer as Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. - 1 Peter 4 v.16.
....if any man suffer as Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. - 1 Peter 4 v.16. Bellamacl
  • Score: 1

7:22am Sun 14 Jul 13

tjames says...

common purpose also infests metropolitan police (cd) and public sector. how much does merton council spend on common purpose courses? common purpose is a donor to the labor party
common purpose also infests metropolitan police (cd) and public sector. how much does merton council spend on common purpose courses? common purpose is a donor to the labor party tjames
  • Score: 1

3:42pm Sun 14 Jul 13

Park for all says...

This incident has caused lots of debate, on FB etc about evangelism across cultures.I would argue very strongly it was not applicable to the vast majority of those attending the tennis and know in other situations lots of people have come to faith when the Christian faith has been rightly presented. Sadly as these peoples said their theology finishes in 1722 so they miss out on the great work of Parham, Wesley and Booth.
This incident has caused lots of debate, on FB etc about evangelism across cultures.I would argue very strongly it was not applicable to the vast majority of those attending the tennis and know in other situations lots of people have come to faith when the Christian faith has been rightly presented. Sadly as these peoples said their theology finishes in 1722 so they miss out on the great work of Parham, Wesley and Booth. Park for all
  • Score: -1

5:22pm Mon 15 Jul 13

Hot-Dog-1 says...

Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children.

Bloody idiot,
Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children. Bloody idiot, Hot-Dog-1
  • Score: -1

9:41pm Mon 15 Jul 13

P MCMANUS says...

gosh what is our newspaper up to?I was so disappointed to see the front page it felt like being plunged back into the past of intolerance religious ranters dishing out sins hell fires etc a vicar who seems more suited to the backwoods of the 1950's
very sad day for Wimbledon
thanks very much to the lady who took the trouble to speak out and not just pass by!
gosh what is our newspaper up to?I was so disappointed to see the front page it felt like being plunged back into the past of intolerance religious ranters dishing out sins hell fires etc a vicar who seems more suited to the backwoods of the 1950's very sad day for Wimbledon thanks very much to the lady who took the trouble to speak out and not just pass by! P MCMANUS
  • Score: -1

7:30am Tue 16 Jul 13

bos scat says...

bos scat's top tips of the day for the rev:
1, put down the spade and move away from the hole!
2, being a "man of god" is your personal lifestyle choice, regardless of how you want other people to view it!
3, you're religion(or rather the particular version of it that you choose to follow) is no more or less valid than any other religion or version of religion that anyone one else chooses to follow!
4, being religious does not make you in and of itself a good person!
5, try tasting a little of your own medicine mentally (silently in your head) before dosing it out to others, this will help avoid the hypocrisy that often goes with evangelizing!
6, liberals are not your enemy, they promote inclusion and are pro-choice for everyone, religions (disregarding the occasional bouts of hot air) are about division and enforcement(think about it) ..you are your own enemy!
7, "judge ye not..." in your case could be better understood as "live by the sword, die by the sword"

just sayin'
bos scat's top tips of the day for the rev: 1, put down the spade and move away from the hole! 2, being a "man of god" is your personal lifestyle choice, regardless of how you want other people to view it! 3, you're religion(or rather the particular version of it that you choose to follow) is no more or less valid than any other religion or version of religion that anyone one else chooses to follow! 4, being religious does not make you in and of itself a good person! 5, try tasting a little of your own medicine mentally (silently in your head) before dosing it out to others, this will help avoid the hypocrisy that often goes with evangelizing! 6, liberals are not your enemy, they promote inclusion and are pro-choice for everyone, religions (disregarding the occasional bouts of hot air) are about division and enforcement(think about it) ..you are your own enemy! 7, "judge ye not..." in your case could be better understood as "live by the sword, die by the sword" just sayin' bos scat
  • Score: -1

3:31pm Tue 16 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Park for all wrote:
This incident has caused lots of debate, on FB etc about evangelism across cultures.I would argue very strongly it was not applicable to the vast majority of those attending the tennis and know in other situations lots of people have come to faith when the Christian faith has been rightly presented. Sadly as these peoples said their theology finishes in 1722 so they miss out on the great work of Parham, Wesley and Booth.
Wesley and Booth are on my side on this matter, as well as on the Gospel and the need for people to be saved from hell. So also isl the official teaching of even the liberal Church of England!
See the 39 Articles of Religion,
1. Christ will judge all men (Article 4).
2. Every person born into the world deserves God's wrath and damnation (Article 9).
3. We have no power to do good works without the grace of God (Article 10).
The articles go on to describe God's means of justifying the ungody through faith in Christ alone.
This may be a 16th Century Creed but it is from a 1st Century Bible and like God himself, the truth does not change!

Likewise man does not change, despite his proud claim of being superior to his predecessors.
[quote][p][bold]Park for all[/bold] wrote: This incident has caused lots of debate, on FB etc about evangelism across cultures.I would argue very strongly it was not applicable to the vast majority of those attending the tennis and know in other situations lots of people have come to faith when the Christian faith has been rightly presented. Sadly as these peoples said their theology finishes in 1722 so they miss out on the great work of Parham, Wesley and Booth.[/p][/quote]Wesley and Booth are on my side on this matter, as well as on the Gospel and the need for people to be saved from hell. So also isl the official teaching of even the liberal Church of England! See the 39 Articles of Religion, 1. Christ will judge all men (Article 4). 2. Every person born into the world deserves God's wrath and damnation (Article 9). 3. We have no power to do good works without the grace of God (Article 10). The articles go on to describe God's means of justifying the ungody through faith in Christ alone. This may be a 16th Century Creed but it is from a 1st Century Bible and like God himself, the truth does not change! Likewise man does not change, despite his proud claim of being superior to his predecessors. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

3:36pm Tue 16 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Hot-Dog-1 wrote:
Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children.

Bloody idiot,
I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up:

http://www.christian
post.com/news/first-
ever-ex-gay-pride-mo
nth-to-be-held-in-dc
-this-month-99184/

The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others.
[quote][p][bold]Hot-Dog-1[/bold] wrote: Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children. Bloody idiot,[/p][/quote]I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up: http://www.christian post.com/news/first- ever-ex-gay-pride-mo nth-to-be-held-in-dc -this-month-99184/ The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

3:47pm Tue 16 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

P MCMANUS wrote:
gosh what is our newspaper up to?I was so disappointed to see the front page it felt like being plunged back into the past of intolerance religious ranters dishing out sins hell fires etc a vicar who seems more suited to the backwoods of the 1950's
very sad day for Wimbledon
thanks very much to the lady who took the trouble to speak out and not just pass by!
I was not here in the 1950s but those I know who were have assured me that the so called sexual revolution or liberation that started with rock'n'roll and so called "free love" has been the cause of an enormous amount of social harm.

For a similar comparison I recommend "England Before and After Wesley" by J. Bready. At the beginning of the 18th Century the nation had turned from the Bible to Gin and was about to destroy itself when along came John Wesley and a band of roving preachers. Even clergymen set mobs onto Wesley to begin with but by the beginning of the 19th Century there had been a great improvement.

We pray for such a great change once again. It is happening in China where there are maybe now about 80 million Christians who are setting such an example that they are the preferred employees. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/world-asia-pac
ific-10942954
[quote][p][bold]P MCMANUS[/bold] wrote: gosh what is our newspaper up to?I was so disappointed to see the front page it felt like being plunged back into the past of intolerance religious ranters dishing out sins hell fires etc a vicar who seems more suited to the backwoods of the 1950's very sad day for Wimbledon thanks very much to the lady who took the trouble to speak out and not just pass by![/p][/quote]I was not here in the 1950s but those I know who were have assured me that the so called sexual revolution or liberation that started with rock'n'roll and so called "free love" has been the cause of an enormous amount of social harm. For a similar comparison I recommend "England Before and After Wesley" by J. Bready. At the beginning of the 18th Century the nation had turned from the Bible to Gin and was about to destroy itself when along came John Wesley and a band of roving preachers. Even clergymen set mobs onto Wesley to begin with but by the beginning of the 19th Century there had been a great improvement. We pray for such a great change once again. It is happening in China where there are maybe now about 80 million Christians who are setting such an example that they are the preferred employees. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-asia-pac ific-10942954 RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

3:53pm Tue 16 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

RevPeterRatcliff wrote:
Hot-Dog-1 wrote:
Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children.

Bloody idiot,
I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up:

http://www.christian

post.com/news/first-

ever-ex-gay-pride-mo

nth-to-be-held-in-dc

-this-month-99184/

The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others.
And all debunked by every reputable Psychiatric and Psychological association the world over.

The American Psychiatric Association, the American Counseling Association, the World Health Organization, The British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy.

Hell, even the founder of Exodus International, the 1st ex-gay group has apologised to the gay community for the harm that it has done and admitted that it does NOT work.

He is now an Ex-Ex Gay.

And a post on a Christian Website is not medical evidence.

PS: The Gay Marriage law passed in the House of Lords.

You clearly have not been praying to your deity enough.
[quote][p][bold]RevPeterRatcliff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hot-Dog-1[/bold] wrote: Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children. Bloody idiot,[/p][/quote]I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up: http://www.christian post.com/news/first- ever-ex-gay-pride-mo nth-to-be-held-in-dc -this-month-99184/ The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others.[/p][/quote]And all debunked by every reputable Psychiatric and Psychological association the world over. The American Psychiatric Association, the American Counseling Association, the World Health Organization, The British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy. Hell, even the founder of Exodus International, the 1st ex-gay group has apologised to the gay community for the harm that it has done and admitted that it does NOT work. He is now an Ex-Ex Gay. And a post on a Christian Website is not medical evidence. PS: The Gay Marriage law passed in the House of Lords. You clearly have not been praying to your deity enough. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

8:05pm Tue 16 Jul 13

Park for all says...

Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.
Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA. Park for all
  • Score: -1

9:39pm Tue 16 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

cocteaut wrote:
RevPeterRatcliff wrote:
Hot-Dog-1 wrote:
Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children.

Bloody idiot,
I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up:

http://www.christian


post.com/news/first-


ever-ex-gay-pride-mo


nth-to-be-held-in-dc


-this-month-99184/

The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others.
And all debunked by every reputable Psychiatric and Psychological association the world over.

The American Psychiatric Association, the American Counseling Association, the World Health Organization, The British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy.

Hell, even the founder of Exodus International, the 1st ex-gay group has apologised to the gay community for the harm that it has done and admitted that it does NOT work.

He is now an Ex-Ex Gay.

And a post on a Christian Website is not medical evidence.

PS: The Gay Marriage law passed in the House of Lords.

You clearly have not been praying to your deity enough.
As far as psychiatry is concerned, the industry is largely a sham based on many false secular assumptions. Psychiatry is based on the idea that there is no God. However Christians believe that there is a God and He can do things that are usually otherwise impossible. Eg I tried a psychiatrist and speech therapist to give up stuttering and it was useless but when I became a Christian my burden was lifted and my speech improved dramatically. It is the same for many other things for which psychiatry has no answer.

As far as prayer is concerned it is not a simple matter. In fact I am incredibly thankful for the way that God has answered prayers and helped all sorts of people. However the Bible also warns of rebellious people bringing their own condemnation upon themselves. Romans chapter 1 is a well known passage on that. There are times when nations reject God and I have been telling a little of 18th Century history on that. The end has not come yet and there may be a lot more to go before then!

The UK may have rejected Christianity and turned to homosexuality but what if God has sent Islam to take over the UK and act as a punishment as He did with the Jews taken into Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah was not popular for prophesying that either!
[quote][p][bold]cocteaut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RevPeterRatcliff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hot-Dog-1[/bold] wrote: Gays can give up being gay when perverted bible bashing loons like this give up molesting children. Bloody idiot,[/p][/quote]I was only quoting what others have said who have given it up: http://www.christian post.com/news/first- ever-ex-gay-pride-mo nth-to-be-held-in-dc -this-month-99184/ The above article seems to be about those who have given up being gay through therapy. However Christians say it is by faith in Jesus Christ and repentance toward God. That is also how we give up swearing and speaking rudely about others.[/p][/quote]And all debunked by every reputable Psychiatric and Psychological association the world over. The American Psychiatric Association, the American Counseling Association, the World Health Organization, The British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy. Hell, even the founder of Exodus International, the 1st ex-gay group has apologised to the gay community for the harm that it has done and admitted that it does NOT work. He is now an Ex-Ex Gay. And a post on a Christian Website is not medical evidence. PS: The Gay Marriage law passed in the House of Lords. You clearly have not been praying to your deity enough.[/p][/quote]As far as psychiatry is concerned, the industry is largely a sham based on many false secular assumptions. Psychiatry is based on the idea that there is no God. However Christians believe that there is a God and He can do things that are usually otherwise impossible. Eg I tried a psychiatrist and speech therapist to give up stuttering and it was useless but when I became a Christian my burden was lifted and my speech improved dramatically. It is the same for many other things for which psychiatry has no answer. As far as prayer is concerned it is not a simple matter. In fact I am incredibly thankful for the way that God has answered prayers and helped all sorts of people. However the Bible also warns of rebellious people bringing their own condemnation upon themselves. Romans chapter 1 is a well known passage on that. There are times when nations reject God and I have been telling a little of 18th Century history on that. The end has not come yet and there may be a lot more to go before then! The UK may have rejected Christianity and turned to homosexuality but what if God has sent Islam to take over the UK and act as a punishment as He did with the Jews taken into Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah was not popular for prophesying that either! RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Tue 16 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

Park for all wrote:
Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.
Thanks for getting in touch about this. Lets talk. As for the strange saying, presumably the person meant that Christians might get bullied and intimidated for being open about their faith.
I'd love to have some other local Christians join me for open air Gospel preaching in Merton throughout the year. I have always found it a very good time of blessing - arguably better than the typical blog discussion like this where people so often write without the courtesy that they would use if they could look you in the eye.
[quote][p][bold]Park for all[/bold] wrote: Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.[/p][/quote]Thanks for getting in touch about this. Lets talk. As for the strange saying, presumably the person meant that Christians might get bullied and intimidated for being open about their faith. I'd love to have some other local Christians join me for open air Gospel preaching in Merton throughout the year. I have always found it a very good time of blessing - arguably better than the typical blog discussion like this where people so often write without the courtesy that they would use if they could look you in the eye. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

10:33pm Tue 16 Jul 13

P MCMANUS says...

please do not do open air preaching
at any time in the streets of Wimbledon -they have secure places for that sort of thing (sound proofed and padded)
is it true that there are over 3,000 different Gods worshiped wouldn't it lead to gridlocks??how would we get into Centre Court??
P concerned
please do not do open air preaching at any time in the streets of Wimbledon -they have secure places for that sort of thing (sound proofed and padded) is it true that there are over 3,000 different Gods worshiped wouldn't it lead to gridlocks??how would we get into Centre Court?? P concerned P MCMANUS
  • Score: -1

11:21pm Tue 16 Jul 13

murtie says...

If I can, respectfully, add a few more comments in the light of what has been said.

As I said, homosexuals should regard genuine Christians, like Rev Peter Radcliff, their best friend - for they speak the truth in love, from the heart. Surely anyone reading these debate lines can discern for themsleves who is sincerely speaking from the heart.

One needs to be a proper fool indeed not to recognise that some of the filthy and vulgar language used by some people here, is not from the heart. The Bible again reminds us that "the heart is desperately wicked." As sinners, we all need a new heart. Practicing homosexuals are sinners and need a new heart. They must repent and believe the gospel. They must forsake their sin and hate the things that God hates.

It is quite evident that the true Christian is hated and despised for sharing and telling the truth. The truth is an offence to all who hate and despise the gospel.

Whatever green light politicians may give same sex 'marriage' it will never alter what the law of God clearly states in the Bible about - it is a sin and an abomination and will only incur God's wrath and curse.

Politicians in London cannot edit God or His laws. It would be easier for them to stop the sun from shining and to empty the Thames of water.

Again the clear clarion call to homosexuals across the country, to supporters of same-sex marriage and all who approve of these very bent relationships is "repent and believe the gospel."

There is no-one so deep in sin, that the grace of God is not deeper still, to forgive, change and transform from within. "The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin."

The vilest offender who truly believes, a moment from Jesus - a pardon receives! O what a blessed Saviour He is. Shalom
If I can, respectfully, add a few more comments in the light of what has been said. As I said, homosexuals should regard genuine Christians, like Rev Peter Radcliff, their best friend - for they speak the truth in love, from the heart. Surely anyone reading these debate lines can discern for themsleves who is sincerely speaking from the heart. One needs to be a proper fool indeed not to recognise that some of the filthy and vulgar language used by some people here, is not from the heart. The Bible again reminds us that "the heart is desperately wicked." As sinners, we all need a new heart. Practicing homosexuals are sinners and need a new heart. They must repent and believe the gospel. They must forsake their sin and hate the things that God hates. It is quite evident that the true Christian is hated and despised for sharing and telling the truth. The truth is an offence to all who hate and despise the gospel. Whatever green light politicians may give same sex 'marriage' it will never alter what the law of God clearly states in the Bible about - it is a sin and an abomination and will only incur God's wrath and curse. Politicians in London cannot edit God or His laws. It would be easier for them to stop the sun from shining and to empty the Thames of water. Again the clear clarion call to homosexuals across the country, to supporters of same-sex marriage and all who approve of these very bent relationships is "repent and believe the gospel." There is no-one so deep in sin, that the grace of God is not deeper still, to forgive, change and transform from within. "The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin." The vilest offender who truly believes, a moment from Jesus - a pardon receives! O what a blessed Saviour He is. Shalom murtie
  • Score: 1

9:19am Wed 17 Jul 13

P MCMANUS says...

"repent and believe the gospel."
repent and be cured of heterosexuality
The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin."
The vilest offender who truly believes, a moment from Jesus - a pardon receives! O what a blessed Saviour He is. Shalom
gosh these Christians busybodies do go on a bit
"repent and believe the gospel." repent and be cured of heterosexuality The blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin." The vilest offender who truly believes, a moment from Jesus - a pardon receives! O what a blessed Saviour He is. Shalom gosh these Christians busybodies do go on a bit P MCMANUS
  • Score: -1

6:43pm Wed 17 Jul 13

bos scat says...

straight from a star-gate script ..beware the Ori
straight from a star-gate script ..beware the Ori bos scat
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Wed 17 Jul 13

cocteaut says...

Christ.

They really DO bible thump don't they.

What a load of whining nonsense.
Christ. They really DO bible thump don't they. What a load of whining nonsense. cocteaut
  • Score: -1

7:19am Thu 18 Jul 13

bos scat says...

Park for all wrote:
Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.
in summary then...
a deliberate act of public disorder,
bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted.
[quote][p][bold]Park for all[/bold] wrote: Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.[/p][/quote]in summary then... a deliberate act of public disorder, bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted. bos scat
  • Score: -1

7:47am Thu 18 Jul 13

RevPeterRatcliff says...

bos scat wrote:
Park for all wrote:
Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.
in summary then...
a deliberate act of public disorder,
bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted.
As I said before, I am sure it was misunderstood and rather it was that Christians expect to BE bullied and insulted.That would match the facts of what happens.

Thanks again to all who have written on this post. For those who have supported, and for those who have challenged us, and yes, even to those who do not like those who preach. There was a very hostile man like that once called Saul of Tarsus and you know what happened to him. We pray such a blessing may be yours also.
[quote][p][bold]bos scat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Park for all[/bold] wrote: Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.[/p][/quote]in summary then... a deliberate act of public disorder, bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted.[/p][/quote]As I said before, I am sure it was misunderstood and rather it was that Christians expect to BE bullied and insulted.That would match the facts of what happens. Thanks again to all who have written on this post. For those who have supported, and for those who have challenged us, and yes, even to those who do not like those who preach. There was a very hostile man like that once called Saul of Tarsus and you know what happened to him. We pray such a blessing may be yours also. RevPeterRatcliff
  • Score: 1

7:59am Thu 18 Jul 13

P MCMANUS says...

thanks to all those who have written and isn't it nice that Christians no longer burn people at the stake(as far as I know!) for disagreeing with them
and now for a nice walk around Wimbledon free from self righteous ranters accusing everybody else of being sinners
ps what is the telephone number we ring if we are attacked??
thanks to all those who have written and isn't it nice that Christians no longer burn people at the stake(as far as I know!) for disagreeing with them and now for a nice walk around Wimbledon free from self righteous ranters accusing everybody else of being sinners ps what is the telephone number we ring if we are attacked?? P MCMANUS
  • Score: -1

9:31am Thu 18 Jul 13

bos scat says...

RevPeterRatcliff wrote:
bos scat wrote:
Park for all wrote:
Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.
in summary then...
a deliberate act of public disorder,
bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted.
As I said before, I am sure it was misunderstood and rather it was that Christians expect to BE bullied and insulted.That would match the facts of what happens.

Thanks again to all who have written on this post. For those who have supported, and for those who have challenged us, and yes, even to those who do not like those who preach. There was a very hostile man like that once called Saul of Tarsus and you know what happened to him. We pray such a blessing may be yours also.
you miss the point entirely with your squirming reply Mr Ratcliff...

top tips continued:
8, playing victim in situations you have provoked is the same(in the end) as crying wolf! ...you are your own enemy!
9, quoting the bible to excuse your rude behavior, doesn't put you in a good light with either atheists or true Christians!


...just sayin'
[quote][p][bold]RevPeterRatcliff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bos scat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Park for all[/bold] wrote: Peter being serious for a second. Why are we so divided as believers in Wimbledon that we couldn't have put a team of young people together to reach the people who attend the tennis by the tennis, with the real message. I heard one of their team saying bullying and intimidation at work was right for a follower of Jesus! No that not right. Next year we must use people from Wimbledon and not the USA.[/p][/quote]in summary then... a deliberate act of public disorder, bring in a US preacher to bully and intimidate a crowd to the point where they react and use expletives, then pull out false victim card and whine on about being swore at by those insulted.[/p][/quote]As I said before, I am sure it was misunderstood and rather it was that Christians expect to BE bullied and insulted.That would match the facts of what happens. Thanks again to all who have written on this post. For those who have supported, and for those who have challenged us, and yes, even to those who do not like those who preach. There was a very hostile man like that once called Saul of Tarsus and you know what happened to him. We pray such a blessing may be yours also.[/p][/quote]you miss the point entirely with your squirming reply Mr Ratcliff... top tips continued: 8, playing victim in situations you have provoked is the same(in the end) as crying wolf! ...you are your own enemy! 9, quoting the bible to excuse your rude behavior, doesn't put you in a good light with either atheists or true Christians! ...just sayin' bos scat
  • Score: -1

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