Iain Duncan Smith: 'Margaret Thatcher inspired me to become politician'

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Iain Duncan Smith has paid tribute to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher after she passed away following a stroke, revealing she was the reason he got into politics.

The Chingford and Woodford MP and work and pensions secretary said Baroness Thatcher had restored “real leadership” to politics after she took power in 1979, winning three elections before leaving office in 1990.

The Baroness died aged 87 after becoming the first ever woman to hold the post of Prime Minister.

Duncan Smith said: "Baroness Thatcher was the reason I came into politics.

“Watching her set out to change Britain for the better in 1979 made me believe there was, at last, real purpose and real leadership in politics once again.

“She bestrode the political world like a colossus. This is dreadfully sad news and my thoughts and prayers are with her family."

The former Prime Minister leaves behind a lasting legacy as one of the most influential politicians of the 20th century.

She brought in bills to curb unions’ power, to privatise state industries and to allow council home owners to buy their houses.

She also introduced the poll tax in 1987, a flat-rate tax for local services based on individual need rather than the value of their property.

Cllr Chris Robbins, Labour leader of Waltham Forest Council, said: “I’m sorry to hear of her death, as with any individual that passes away.

“But I don’t think she was a force for good. She polarised the country. She did shoot through the Tory ranks at an extraordinary rate, you can't undermine the power of the woman herself.

“But that didn’t necessarily come through with policies which were healing. She increased class divisions at a difficult time and unemployment peaked under her leadership.”

The leader of the council's Conservative group, Cllr Matt Davis, also paid his respects.

He said: “I’m very sad to hear of the passing of Baroness Thatcher, who led the Conservative Party through our greatest period of post-war power and achieved many very necessary changes for our country.

“As an election winning force she was unbeatable. May she rest in peace.”

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3:11pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

Sadly IDS did not have it in him to be a worthy Leader but he is very good at what he is doing cutting the scrounger's benefits
Sadly IDS did not have it in him to be a worthy Leader but he is very good at what he is doing cutting the scrounger's benefits Cornbeefur
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3:55pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Walthamster says...

One more reason to wish Margaret Thatcher had never gone into politics.
One more reason to wish Margaret Thatcher had never gone into politics. Walthamster
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4:16pm Mon 8 Apr 13

leytonite says...

"She increased class divisions at a difficult time and unemployment peaked under her leadership."

That was a long time ago Cllr Robbins. It would never happen under a Tory government today.
"She increased class divisions at a difficult time and unemployment peaked under her leadership." That was a long time ago Cllr Robbins. It would never happen under a Tory government today. leytonite
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5:18pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Sam Hain says...

What she started IDS has now completed. She has a lot to answer for but the recent iniquitous welfare reforms provide the post-mortem sting in the tail of her poisonous legacy.
What she started IDS has now completed. She has a lot to answer for but the recent iniquitous welfare reforms provide the post-mortem sting in the tail of her poisonous legacy. Sam Hain
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7:22pm Mon 8 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

Her vicious policies destroyed tens of thousands of lives across this country.

IDS is a fitting legacy if an unwelcome one.
Her vicious policies destroyed tens of thousands of lives across this country. IDS is a fitting legacy if an unwelcome one. stickmanny
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7:44pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Sam Hain says...

She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity. Sam Hain
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8:51pm Mon 8 Apr 13

legseleven says...

Cornbeefur, Sadly IDS doesn't take kindly to toadying oiks who try to curry favours or attention by spouting tory drivel.

Gah! Suffer not a troll to live!
Cornbeefur, Sadly IDS doesn't take kindly to toadying oiks who try to curry favours or attention by spouting tory drivel. Gah! Suffer not a troll to live! legseleven
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10:54pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
Her vicious policies destroyed tens of thousands of lives across this country.

IDS is a fitting legacy if an unwelcome one.
So says you, she destroyed so many that when Tony ('Things Can Only get Better') Bliar was elected, the first thing he did was to reverse all of poor old Maggie's 'Evil' Policies.

The difference between Maggie and all the subsequent 'Leaders' is that she had the courage of her convictions.

Bliar, Brown, Cameron talked a good job.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: Her vicious policies destroyed tens of thousands of lives across this country. IDS is a fitting legacy if an unwelcome one.[/p][/quote]So says you, she destroyed so many that when Tony ('Things Can Only get Better') Bliar was elected, the first thing he did was to reverse all of poor old Maggie's 'Evil' Policies. The difference between Maggie and all the subsequent 'Leaders' is that she had the courage of her convictions. Bliar, Brown, Cameron talked a good job. Cornbeefur
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10:57pm Mon 8 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

Sam Hain wrote:
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each.

'Things Can Only Get Better' he said.

Er... 20 years later the UK bust!
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.[/p][/quote]Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each. 'Things Can Only Get Better' he said. Er... 20 years later the UK bust! Cornbeefur
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1:46am Tue 9 Apr 13

HottRedMan says...

Cornbeefur wrote:
Sam Hain wrote:
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each.

'Things Can Only Get Better' he said.

Er... 20 years later the UK bust!
LMAO

Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall.
They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.
[quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.[/p][/quote]Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each. 'Things Can Only Get Better' he said. Er... 20 years later the UK bust![/p][/quote]LMAO Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall. They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes. HottRedMan
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7:04am Tue 9 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

HottRedMan wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Sam Hain wrote:
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each.

'Things Can Only Get Better' he said.

Er... 20 years later the UK bust!
LMAO

Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall.
They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.
Yawn. The rewriting of history is so blatant there's no point addressing it.

Thatcher has slipped in a final stealth tax by making us all pay for her funeral, something her fawning admirers would oppose if they understood the meaning of hypocrisy
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.[/p][/quote]Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each. 'Things Can Only Get Better' he said. Er... 20 years later the UK bust![/p][/quote]LMAO Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall. They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.[/p][/quote]Yawn. The rewriting of history is so blatant there's no point addressing it. Thatcher has slipped in a final stealth tax by making us all pay for her funeral, something her fawning admirers would oppose if they understood the meaning of hypocrisy stickmanny
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10:39am Tue 9 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

stickmanny wrote:
HottRedMan wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Sam Hain wrote:
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each.

'Things Can Only Get Better' he said.

Er... 20 years later the UK bust!
LMAO

Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall.
They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.
Yawn. The rewriting of history is so blatant there's no point addressing it.

Thatcher has slipped in a final stealth tax by making us all pay for her funeral, something her fawning admirers would oppose if they understood the meaning of hypocrisy
Nothing has been re-written. Your memory of how bad things were in the 70's has been clouded with Cranberry Tinted Mist. 3 Day weeks, power cuts, rubbish piled high in the streets, strike after strike, the Country held to ransom by the Trade Unions affiliated to Trotskyist Politics.

Thatcher took on the ridiculous situation and sorted the Unions out once and for all. British Industry was destroyed by the Unions.

'Societies and communities being broken up' Societies and Communities start from individuals building them, not the State. Unfortunately, with mass immigration under Labour and different cultures failing to integrate, it is unlikely that communities will ever be rebuilt in any event as we once knew them.
[quote][p][bold]stickmanny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.[/p][/quote]Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each. 'Things Can Only Get Better' he said. Er... 20 years later the UK bust![/p][/quote]LMAO Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall. They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.[/p][/quote]Yawn. The rewriting of history is so blatant there's no point addressing it. Thatcher has slipped in a final stealth tax by making us all pay for her funeral, something her fawning admirers would oppose if they understood the meaning of hypocrisy[/p][/quote]Nothing has been re-written. Your memory of how bad things were in the 70's has been clouded with Cranberry Tinted Mist. 3 Day weeks, power cuts, rubbish piled high in the streets, strike after strike, the Country held to ransom by the Trade Unions affiliated to Trotskyist Politics. Thatcher took on the ridiculous situation and sorted the Unions out once and for all. British Industry was destroyed by the Unions. 'Societies and communities being broken up' Societies and Communities start from individuals building them, not the State. Unfortunately, with mass immigration under Labour and different cultures failing to integrate, it is unlikely that communities will ever be rebuilt in any event as we once knew them. Cornbeefur
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11:38am Tue 9 Apr 13

leytonite says...

HottRedMan wrote:
Cornbeefur wrote:
Sam Hain wrote:
She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.
Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each.

'Things Can Only Get Better' he said.

Er... 20 years later the UK bust!
LMAO

Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall.
They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.
You're quite right - the closing of our public toilets is the most pressing issue in the Borough at the moment. Let's forget the Bedroom Tax and cuts to DLA and concentrate on the more important things - we want our toilets back!
[quote][p][bold]HottRedMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cornbeefur[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: She shares her death day with Caracalla, arguably one of the nastiest Emperors Rome ever had (and that's saying something!). I'm sure they'll have a lot to discuss for eternity.[/p][/quote]Maybe, whilst the likes of Bliar conned all of the 'working class' into voting for him so he could buy his children a 'starter home' of around 1.5 million each. 'Things Can Only Get Better' he said. Er... 20 years later the UK bust![/p][/quote]LMAO Also what has Robbins done for the council is worst. He has created division and is making the poor poorer. Look at the these stealth taxes and dictatorous regime that he and his pals put out at Walthamstow Town Hall. They scrap our public toilets, Increase all kind of fines, use cctv to gain more fines for their luxury lifestyles. They Ghettofy Walthamstow to enchance crime in the area and approve disastrous house building schemes.[/p][/quote]You're quite right - the closing of our public toilets is the most pressing issue in the Borough at the moment. Let's forget the Bedroom Tax and cuts to DLA and concentrate on the more important things - we want our toilets back! leytonite
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3:43pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Sam Hain says...

Quite right, leytonite. Someone's taking the p**s that's for sure! Back to the late unlamented Dear Leaderene. I note some areas partied at the news of her departure (in the Ritz Hotel, poor old thing) but I couldn't find it in me celebrate her demise. Having lived in the North during the Miners' Strike I saw what her policies did to communities and individuals, many of whom still suffer to this day so joy is hardly unconfined. Mind you, the person I vilify alongside Thatcher fo that tragedy is Arthur Scargill, they were flip sides of the same coin. At least he won't get a state funeral when his time comes!
Quite right, leytonite. Someone's taking the p**s that's for sure! Back to the late unlamented Dear Leaderene. I note some areas partied at the news of her departure (in the Ritz Hotel, poor old thing) but I couldn't find it in me celebrate her demise. Having lived in the North during the Miners' Strike I saw what her policies did to communities and individuals, many of whom still suffer to this day so joy is hardly unconfined. Mind you, the person I vilify alongside Thatcher fo that tragedy is Arthur Scargill, they were flip sides of the same coin. At least he won't get a state funeral when his time comes! Sam Hain
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4:04pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

Sam Hain wrote:
Quite right, leytonite. Someone's taking the p**s that's for sure! Back to the late unlamented Dear Leaderene. I note some areas partied at the news of her departure (in the Ritz Hotel, poor old thing) but I couldn't find it in me celebrate her demise. Having lived in the North during the Miners' Strike I saw what her policies did to communities and individuals, many of whom still suffer to this day so joy is hardly unconfined. Mind you, the person I vilify alongside Thatcher fo that tragedy is Arthur Scargill, they were flip sides of the same coin. At least he won't get a state funeral when his time comes!
Glad you agree that Scargill had a contributory factor in Pit closures.

It ceased to be profitable and could not be artificially sustained indefinitely.

I am sure some of the communities are still affected as some mines were worked in by families for years. I somehow doubt however that some of the younger generation these days would have wanted to go 'down pit'. far from it I suspect and I think the situation would be that East European nationals would have filled such posts.

Even so, I have been to several former mining areas around the UK and it is interesting to note how some areas are really thriving and the loss of the pits have encouraged retraining and entrepreneurial activity, especially in some Welsh Towns.
[quote][p][bold]Sam Hain[/bold] wrote: Quite right, leytonite. Someone's taking the p**s that's for sure! Back to the late unlamented Dear Leaderene. I note some areas partied at the news of her departure (in the Ritz Hotel, poor old thing) but I couldn't find it in me celebrate her demise. Having lived in the North during the Miners' Strike I saw what her policies did to communities and individuals, many of whom still suffer to this day so joy is hardly unconfined. Mind you, the person I vilify alongside Thatcher fo that tragedy is Arthur Scargill, they were flip sides of the same coin. At least he won't get a state funeral when his time comes![/p][/quote]Glad you agree that Scargill had a contributory factor in Pit closures. It ceased to be profitable and could not be artificially sustained indefinitely. I am sure some of the communities are still affected as some mines were worked in by families for years. I somehow doubt however that some of the younger generation these days would have wanted to go 'down pit'. far from it I suspect and I think the situation would be that East European nationals would have filled such posts. Even so, I have been to several former mining areas around the UK and it is interesting to note how some areas are really thriving and the loss of the pits have encouraged retraining and entrepreneurial activity, especially in some Welsh Towns. Cornbeefur
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6:26pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Quornbeefer says...

Profit and choice are less important than the families destroyed by Thatcher's pursuit of them.
Profit and choice are less important than the families destroyed by Thatcher's pursuit of them. Quornbeefer
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6:56pm Tue 9 Apr 13

legseleven says...

Well put Quornbeefer! Luvin' the name;-)
Well put Quornbeefer! Luvin' the name;-) legseleven
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10:56pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Redbridge person says...

Did Thatcher have halal policies???
Did Thatcher have halal policies??? Redbridge person
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11:16pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Sam Hain says...

At last, a cogent point from Cornbeefur (wonders never cease) and great to have Quornbeefur join us with an equally valid one. Deep coal mining (with the technology available at the time) was almost certainly on its last legs and anyway provides a filthy fossil fuel. As Corny says, who would really want to send a son down t'pit given a reasonable alternative? Tragically, the only alternative on offer after the pit closures was joblessness and loss of a century-old culture, leading to drug abuse, alcoholism and despair, with half the north ending up on DLA. This might surprise Corny as much as my comment about Scargill but Labour had 13 years in power, at the height of an economic boom, to turn this situation around. Did they? Visit many (if not most) of the former pit villages today and the answer is emphatically no. Sadly, the southern-focused, metropolitan-biased, service-oriented, banking-fixated economic sytem set up under Thatcher continued under Blair and Brown. Say what you like about the old ratbag (and I do) she at least had the courage of her convictions whereas they never seemed to find theirs (in power at least).
At last, a cogent point from Cornbeefur (wonders never cease) and great to have Quornbeefur join us with an equally valid one. Deep coal mining (with the technology available at the time) was almost certainly on its last legs and anyway provides a filthy fossil fuel. As Corny says, who would really want to send a son down t'pit given a reasonable alternative? Tragically, the only alternative on offer after the pit closures was joblessness and loss of a century-old culture, leading to drug abuse, alcoholism and despair, with half the north ending up on DLA. This might surprise Corny as much as my comment about Scargill but Labour had 13 years in power, at the height of an economic boom, to turn this situation around. Did they? Visit many (if not most) of the former pit villages today and the answer is emphatically no. Sadly, the southern-focused, metropolitan-biased, service-oriented, banking-fixated economic sytem set up under Thatcher continued under Blair and Brown. Say what you like about the old ratbag (and I do) she at least had the courage of her convictions whereas they never seemed to find theirs (in power at least). Sam Hain
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11:28pm Tue 9 Apr 13

legseleven says...

This main nailed the truth about Thatcher and her policies.

Tony Benn -- The issue is Thatcher

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?feature=pl
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vBKnKdk
This main nailed the truth about Thatcher and her policies. Tony Benn -- The issue is Thatcher https://www.youtube. com/watch?feature=pl ayer_embedded&v=ETqO vBKnKdk legseleven
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11:29pm Tue 9 Apr 13

legseleven says...

This man even..
This man even.. legseleven
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12:09am Wed 10 Apr 13

mdj says...

' As Corny says, who would really want to send a son down t'pit given a reasonable alternative? '

Scargill (in theory at least: if he has a son, I'll bet he's not a collier). He said that miners who accepted redundancy were stealing their children's jobs! -the argument of the hand loom worker.

Our leadership figures of all complexions have served us terribly for a generation now, I'd say. The restructurings and closures under Thatcher were so painful because they'd been shied away from for too long (and there was real schadenfreude in their implementation, which was shameful).
North Sea oil could have financed our retooling towards the world's first green economy, which was being coherently mapped out even then, though not by anyone known to our inbred governing class. Instead it was used to buy sullen compliance, with no creative future in mind for the country as a whole.
' As Corny says, who would really want to send a son down t'pit given a reasonable alternative? ' Scargill (in theory at least: if he has a son, I'll bet he's not a collier). He said that miners who accepted redundancy were stealing their children's jobs! -the argument of the hand loom worker. Our leadership figures of all complexions have served us terribly for a generation now, I'd say. The restructurings and closures under Thatcher were so painful because they'd been shied away from for too long (and there was real schadenfreude in their implementation, which was shameful). North Sea oil could have financed our retooling towards the world's first green economy, which was being coherently mapped out even then, though not by anyone known to our inbred governing class. Instead it was used to buy sullen compliance, with no creative future in mind for the country as a whole. mdj
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9:01am Wed 10 Apr 13

bishbosh says...

She put the extremists in their place but many hardworking families suffered. She put some pride back into the country but felt only by the privileged few. When politicians and so called experts state something is no longer sustainable it means there is change on the horizon and hidden investment agendas. Does anyone realise on these threads that our economy is not sustainable. We are borrowing more now than at anytime in our history. Of course IDS would say this. Greed turns our economy to ****..grab what you can when you can...This is the fouth recession I have lived through and it is always the same...hardworking families pay
She put the extremists in their place but many hardworking families suffered. She put some pride back into the country but felt only by the privileged few. When politicians and so called experts state something is no longer sustainable it means there is change on the horizon and hidden investment agendas. Does anyone realise on these threads that our economy is not sustainable. We are borrowing more now than at anytime in our history. Of course IDS would say this. Greed turns our economy to ****..grab what you can when you can...This is the fouth recession I have lived through and it is always the same...hardworking families pay bishbosh
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9:07am Wed 10 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

Nicely put, but I'm not so certain about the state of our economy.

Osborne's credit rating obsession is unfounded. We can invest more to kickstart a recovery without causing a deeper crash. Indeed, if we don't invest the UK economy will flatline for another generation.
Nicely put, but I'm not so certain about the state of our economy. Osborne's credit rating obsession is unfounded. We can invest more to kickstart a recovery without causing a deeper crash. Indeed, if we don't invest the UK economy will flatline for another generation. stickmanny
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11:05am Wed 10 Apr 13

Cornbeefur says...

bishbosh wrote:
She put the extremists in their place but many hardworking families suffered. She put some pride back into the country but felt only by the privileged few. When politicians and so called experts state something is no longer sustainable it means there is change on the horizon and hidden investment agendas. Does anyone realise on these threads that our economy is not sustainable. We are borrowing more now than at anytime in our history. Of course IDS would say this. Greed turns our economy to ****..grab what you can when you can...This is the fouth recession I have lived through and it is always the same...hardworking families pay
Yes thank Goodness Brown and Bliar ended the boom and bust years.

'Things can only get better' they said.
[quote][p][bold]bishbosh[/bold] wrote: She put the extremists in their place but many hardworking families suffered. She put some pride back into the country but felt only by the privileged few. When politicians and so called experts state something is no longer sustainable it means there is change on the horizon and hidden investment agendas. Does anyone realise on these threads that our economy is not sustainable. We are borrowing more now than at anytime in our history. Of course IDS would say this. Greed turns our economy to ****..grab what you can when you can...This is the fouth recession I have lived through and it is always the same...hardworking families pay[/p][/quote]Yes thank Goodness Brown and Bliar ended the boom and bust years. 'Things can only get better' they said. Cornbeefur
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12:56pm Wed 10 Apr 13

Sam Hain says...

Unfortunately now, things will get a lot worse before they get better (if they ever do). May the Iron Lady rust in peace!
Unfortunately now, things will get a lot worse before they get better (if they ever do). May the Iron Lady rust in peace! Sam Hain
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2:59pm Wed 10 Apr 13

John J C Moss says...

I grew up in Yorkshire and worked in Pontefract before and during the miners' strike. I helped value homes the NCB was selling to its workers in a fore-runner of Right to Buy. Whole estates improved as residents took over repairs, long neglected by their state-owned landlord and took a pride in the place where they lived. Even those who did not buy took more care of their premises as a sort of community peer pressure took over.

Thatcher took on the miners because they were hell bent on taking her on, just as they ever Government, Tory or Labour, since the industry was nationalised.

They represented the very worst of the dominations that the union movement had over our economy. They held no ballot and most of the older miners I knew were deeply unhappy, only coming out and staying out because of threats and intimidation from union officials. Don't forget the taxi driver killed in Wales when strikers dropped a concrete block on his car as he took miners who wanted to work to the colliery.

We were a broken country in 1979, Labour had had to go to the IMF for a bailout as - as ever - the socialists ran out of other peoples' money. It took eight years before the Government returned to surplus, largely because of rising tax receipts from rejuvenated industry and commerce. Yes we lost heavy, manual, low-skill state-owned manufacturing, but they were loss making liabilities not assets.

In private hands those industries privatised in the 80s have grown and now represent the best in the world. From the disaster that was British Leyland, with its square steering wheeled Allegro to the infamous Morris Ital (google the Not the 9 O'Clock News sketch), we now have Minis, Jaguars and Land Rovers leading an industry which is net exporter and home to the very pinnacle of research and development with F1 teams like McLaren and Mercedes based in the UK.

David Cameron was right, Margaret Thatcher did not just lead our nation, she saved it.
I grew up in Yorkshire and worked in Pontefract before and during the miners' strike. I helped value homes the NCB was selling to its workers in a fore-runner of Right to Buy. Whole estates improved as residents took over repairs, long neglected by their state-owned landlord and took a pride in the place where they lived. Even those who did not buy took more care of their premises as a sort of community peer pressure took over. Thatcher took on the miners because they were hell bent on taking her on, just as they ever Government, Tory or Labour, since the industry was nationalised. They represented the very worst of the dominations that the union movement had over our economy. They held no ballot and most of the older miners I knew were deeply unhappy, only coming out and staying out because of threats and intimidation from union officials. Don't forget the taxi driver killed in Wales when strikers dropped a concrete block on his car as he took miners who wanted to work to the colliery. We were a broken country in 1979, Labour had had to go to the IMF for a bailout as - as ever - the socialists ran out of other peoples' money. It took eight years before the Government returned to surplus, largely because of rising tax receipts from rejuvenated industry and commerce. Yes we lost heavy, manual, low-skill state-owned manufacturing, but they were loss making liabilities not assets. In private hands those industries privatised in the 80s have grown and now represent the best in the world. From the disaster that was British Leyland, with its square steering wheeled Allegro to the infamous Morris Ital (google the Not the 9 O'Clock News sketch), we now have Minis, Jaguars and Land Rovers leading an industry which is net exporter and home to the very pinnacle of research and development with F1 teams like McLaren and Mercedes based in the UK. David Cameron was right, Margaret Thatcher did not just lead our nation, she saved it. John J C Moss
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3:12pm Wed 10 Apr 13

legseleven says...

Let's not forget she was good friends with pinochet and the khmer rouge, which shows what sort of person she was morally.
Let's not forget she was good friends with pinochet and the khmer rouge, which shows what sort of person she was morally. legseleven
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11:42pm Wed 10 Apr 13

bishbosh says...

We own nothing as a nation and that is Thatchers legacy...she may have reduced our national debt by inviting foreign investment but we have very little for the future. Thatcherism is typified in selling off council houses to tenants....private enterprise swallows the cash.. and next to nothing is re invested into social and council housing. So called housing associations like L and Q are nothing more than private property speculators and developers ala Thatcher phylosophy. Yes she may have strutted the international stage and invited foreign investment...did we get a good price and what was done with the money??.....Yes she saved the MIni, Jaguar and Land Rover for who? Germany and India. We see her legacy even today with the systematic breaking up of the NHS...
We own nothing as a nation and that is Thatchers legacy...she may have reduced our national debt by inviting foreign investment but we have very little for the future. Thatcherism is typified in selling off council houses to tenants....private enterprise swallows the cash.. and next to nothing is re invested into social and council housing. So called housing associations like L and Q are nothing more than private property speculators and developers ala Thatcher phylosophy. Yes she may have strutted the international stage and invited foreign investment...did we get a good price and what was done with the money??.....Yes she saved the MIni, Jaguar and Land Rover for who? Germany and India. We see her legacy even today with the systematic breaking up of the NHS... bishbosh
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11:00am Thu 11 Apr 13

Walthamster says...

bishbosh wrote:
We own nothing as a nation and that is Thatchers legacy...she may have reduced our national debt by inviting foreign investment but we have very little for the future. Thatcherism is typified in selling off council houses to tenants....private enterprise swallows the cash.. and next to nothing is re invested into social and council housing. So called housing associations like L and Q are nothing more than private property speculators and developers ala Thatcher phylosophy. Yes she may have strutted the international stage and invited foreign investment...did we get a good price and what was done with the money??.....Yes she saved the MIni, Jaguar and Land Rover for who? Germany and India. We see her legacy even today with the systematic breaking up of the NHS...
I'd add the privatised utlities to your list of what we've lost. I always wondered why she and her followers called themselves conservatives, when their passion was for destroying or offloading rather than conserving.
[quote][p][bold]bishbosh[/bold] wrote: We own nothing as a nation and that is Thatchers legacy...she may have reduced our national debt by inviting foreign investment but we have very little for the future. Thatcherism is typified in selling off council houses to tenants....private enterprise swallows the cash.. and next to nothing is re invested into social and council housing. So called housing associations like L and Q are nothing more than private property speculators and developers ala Thatcher phylosophy. Yes she may have strutted the international stage and invited foreign investment...did we get a good price and what was done with the money??.....Yes she saved the MIni, Jaguar and Land Rover for who? Germany and India. We see her legacy even today with the systematic breaking up of the NHS...[/p][/quote]I'd add the privatised utlities to your list of what we've lost. I always wondered why she and her followers called themselves conservatives, when their passion was for destroying or offloading rather than conserving. Walthamster
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12:29pm Thu 11 Apr 13

stickmanny says...

John J C Moss wrote:
I grew up in Yorkshire and worked in Pontefract before and during the miners' strike. I helped value homes the NCB was selling to its workers in a fore-runner of Right to Buy. Whole estates improved as residents took over repairs, long neglected by their state-owned landlord and took a pride in the place where they lived. Even those who did not buy took more care of their premises as a sort of community peer pressure took over.

Thatcher took on the miners because they were hell bent on taking her on, just as they ever Government, Tory or Labour, since the industry was nationalised.

They represented the very worst of the dominations that the union movement had over our economy. They held no ballot and most of the older miners I knew were deeply unhappy, only coming out and staying out because of threats and intimidation from union officials. Don't forget the taxi driver killed in Wales when strikers dropped a concrete block on his car as he took miners who wanted to work to the colliery.

We were a broken country in 1979, Labour had had to go to the IMF for a bailout as - as ever - the socialists ran out of other peoples' money. It took eight years before the Government returned to surplus, largely because of rising tax receipts from rejuvenated industry and commerce. Yes we lost heavy, manual, low-skill state-owned manufacturing, but they were loss making liabilities not assets.

In private hands those industries privatised in the 80s have grown and now represent the best in the world. From the disaster that was British Leyland, with its square steering wheeled Allegro to the infamous Morris Ital (google the Not the 9 O'Clock News sketch), we now have Minis, Jaguars and Land Rovers leading an industry which is net exporter and home to the very pinnacle of research and development with F1 teams like McLaren and Mercedes based in the UK.

David Cameron was right, Margaret Thatcher did not just lead our nation, she saved it.
Thatcher meticulously planned to break the miners for years before the strike started and you know it.

And lets just look at the other side for a moment: the appalling quality of UK management which contributed to the mess in the 70s and still does to this day.

The loss making liabilities you describe were entire communities, destroyed on the alter of Thatcherite ideology. This is what bred the reaction we've seen to her demise, and fair enough I say.

If only we'd reformed our industrial policy in the same way we did for Germany after the war we'd be as prosperous as they are now. Our adversarial politics and our adversarial industrial relations do the UK no service at all.
[quote][p][bold]John J C Moss[/bold] wrote: I grew up in Yorkshire and worked in Pontefract before and during the miners' strike. I helped value homes the NCB was selling to its workers in a fore-runner of Right to Buy. Whole estates improved as residents took over repairs, long neglected by their state-owned landlord and took a pride in the place where they lived. Even those who did not buy took more care of their premises as a sort of community peer pressure took over. Thatcher took on the miners because they were hell bent on taking her on, just as they ever Government, Tory or Labour, since the industry was nationalised. They represented the very worst of the dominations that the union movement had over our economy. They held no ballot and most of the older miners I knew were deeply unhappy, only coming out and staying out because of threats and intimidation from union officials. Don't forget the taxi driver killed in Wales when strikers dropped a concrete block on his car as he took miners who wanted to work to the colliery. We were a broken country in 1979, Labour had had to go to the IMF for a bailout as - as ever - the socialists ran out of other peoples' money. It took eight years before the Government returned to surplus, largely because of rising tax receipts from rejuvenated industry and commerce. Yes we lost heavy, manual, low-skill state-owned manufacturing, but they were loss making liabilities not assets. In private hands those industries privatised in the 80s have grown and now represent the best in the world. From the disaster that was British Leyland, with its square steering wheeled Allegro to the infamous Morris Ital (google the Not the 9 O'Clock News sketch), we now have Minis, Jaguars and Land Rovers leading an industry which is net exporter and home to the very pinnacle of research and development with F1 teams like McLaren and Mercedes based in the UK. David Cameron was right, Margaret Thatcher did not just lead our nation, she saved it.[/p][/quote]Thatcher meticulously planned to break the miners for years before the strike started and you know it. And lets just look at the other side for a moment: the appalling quality of UK management which contributed to the mess in the 70s and still does to this day. The loss making liabilities you describe were entire communities, destroyed on the alter of Thatcherite ideology. This is what bred the reaction we've seen to her demise, and fair enough I say. If only we'd reformed our industrial policy in the same way we did for Germany after the war we'd be as prosperous as they are now. Our adversarial politics and our adversarial industrial relations do the UK no service at all. stickmanny
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5:55pm Thu 11 Apr 13

bishbosh says...

Thatchers legacy lives on with Cameron make no mistake on that. HS2 is very much his baby...British taxpayers money mostly will eventually set it up to be sold to foreign investors. How much will Japan get out of this deal...time will tell. Thatcher tories do not care where the investment money comes from and ownership goes.
Thatchers legacy lives on with Cameron make no mistake on that. HS2 is very much his baby...British taxpayers money mostly will eventually set it up to be sold to foreign investors. How much will Japan get out of this deal...time will tell. Thatcher tories do not care where the investment money comes from and ownership goes. bishbosh
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6:26pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Tom Thumb says...

It's strange that the enthusiasts for privatisation expect the taxpayer to subsidise the £10 million cost of this grotesque woman's funeral.
It's strange that the enthusiasts for privatisation expect the taxpayer to subsidise the £10 million cost of this grotesque woman's funeral. Tom Thumb
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6:33pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Tom Thumb says...

One tiny example of Thatcher's legacy: London's water supply is now owned by a consortium of Chinese and Australian businesses. The primary responsibility of Thames Water is to funnel profits to its shareholders, which is why water charges go up year after year in a "market" which is totally non-competitive and simply exchanged state control for foreign ownership.
When water was a public utility money was spent putting down poison in the sewers to hold back the rat population. Thames Water has cut back on this expense and London's rat population is soaring.
But then an enlarged rat population is the perfect symbol of Thatcher's legacy.
The increase in burst water pipes all over London is another symptom of privatisation, as Thames Water tries to cut costs by failing to repair leaks and putting the water pressure up instead.
I reported a leak in Walthamstow six years ago, and water is still leaking merrily away, to the complete indifference of the gentlemen from China and Australia.
One tiny example of Thatcher's legacy: London's water supply is now owned by a consortium of Chinese and Australian businesses. The primary responsibility of Thames Water is to funnel profits to its shareholders, which is why water charges go up year after year in a "market" which is totally non-competitive and simply exchanged state control for foreign ownership. When water was a public utility money was spent putting down poison in the sewers to hold back the rat population. Thames Water has cut back on this expense and London's rat population is soaring. But then an enlarged rat population is the perfect symbol of Thatcher's legacy. The increase in burst water pipes all over London is another symptom of privatisation, as Thames Water tries to cut costs by failing to repair leaks and putting the water pressure up instead. I reported a leak in Walthamstow six years ago, and water is still leaking merrily away, to the complete indifference of the gentlemen from China and Australia. Tom Thumb
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12:17am Fri 12 Apr 13

corbeefer says...

IDS was the greatest MP we ever had in Woodford
IDS was the greatest MP we ever had in Woodford corbeefer
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8:43am Fri 12 Apr 13

Quornbeefer says...

Woodford's finest I love it!
Woodford's finest I love it! Quornbeefer
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10:08pm Fri 12 Apr 13

arnie59 says...

I think they should drive a stake thru her heart to make sure she's really dead and not going to come back. State funeral? state burning more like. At tyburn.
I think they should drive a stake thru her heart to make sure she's really dead and not going to come back. State funeral? state burning more like. At tyburn. arnie59
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11:20pm Fri 12 Apr 13

Walthamster says...

Tom Thumb wrote:
One tiny example of Thatcher's legacy: London's water supply is now owned by a consortium of Chinese and Australian businesses. The primary responsibility of Thames Water is to funnel profits to its shareholders, which is why water charges go up year after year in a "market" which is totally non-competitive and simply exchanged state control for foreign ownership.
When water was a public utility money was spent putting down poison in the sewers to hold back the rat population. Thames Water has cut back on this expense and London's rat population is soaring.
But then an enlarged rat population is the perfect symbol of Thatcher's legacy.
The increase in burst water pipes all over London is another symptom of privatisation, as Thames Water tries to cut costs by failing to repair leaks and putting the water pressure up instead.
I reported a leak in Walthamstow six years ago, and water is still leaking merrily away, to the complete indifference of the gentlemen from China and Australia.
Pocket the public funds and let the rats take over -- a perfect example of Victorian values. Except I think the Victorians might have been a bit ashamed.
[quote][p][bold]Tom Thumb[/bold] wrote: One tiny example of Thatcher's legacy: London's water supply is now owned by a consortium of Chinese and Australian businesses. The primary responsibility of Thames Water is to funnel profits to its shareholders, which is why water charges go up year after year in a "market" which is totally non-competitive and simply exchanged state control for foreign ownership. When water was a public utility money was spent putting down poison in the sewers to hold back the rat population. Thames Water has cut back on this expense and London's rat population is soaring. But then an enlarged rat population is the perfect symbol of Thatcher's legacy. The increase in burst water pipes all over London is another symptom of privatisation, as Thames Water tries to cut costs by failing to repair leaks and putting the water pressure up instead. I reported a leak in Walthamstow six years ago, and water is still leaking merrily away, to the complete indifference of the gentlemen from China and Australia.[/p][/quote]Pocket the public funds and let the rats take over -- a perfect example of Victorian values. Except I think the Victorians might have been a bit ashamed. Walthamster
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11:18pm Sat 13 Apr 13

SpursSupporter1 says...

Cutting back on front line emergency services and then they just pull out £10,000,000 for a funeral too bury this erm person oh gawd Duncan-Smith you sure gota nerve
Cutting back on front line emergency services and then they just pull out £10,000,000 for a funeral too bury this erm person oh gawd Duncan-Smith you sure gota nerve SpursSupporter1
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1:57pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Cormbeefur says...

After Dr Crippen, I think IDS is the best Dr Who we never had.
After Dr Crippen, I think IDS is the best Dr Who we never had. Cormbeefur
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