Bromley homeless man 'not eligible' for housing register (From This Is Local London)

Most Councils have a waiting list of around 3000 so I'm afraid he is one of many thousands.

I know someone who was unable to pay her Mortgage due to losing her job and was repossessed and was told by the council she is not entitled to be rehoused - and she has a child.

We simply cannot house all the people that need it when the accommodation is just not there.

Bromley council told me that if your single and not over 35 your entitled to some money towards a bedsit. If he is in his twenties he certainly is not entitled to house or money towards it.

Unless of course he has custody of his children ??

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I also feel his plight as ive been there, still am there but im lucky enough now to stay with relatives.

toffeeapple wrote:
Most Councils have a waiting list of around 3000 so I'm afraid he is one of many thousands. I know someone who was unable to pay her Mortgage due to losing her job and was repossessed and was told by the council she is not entitled to be rehoused - and she has a child. We simply cannot house all the people that need it when the accommodation is just not there.

I also know some body whos relationship broke up and had 3 kids.

The council pay the interest on her mortgage only, She gets to keep her large 3 bedroom house in a lovely part of orpington.

Is that right?

I certainly don't know, i would of thought she should of been made to sell the house and live off the equity first then be housed in a housing association place?

He says “he lost his job as a chauffeur”, then says “Back in 2010 he was interviewed for the job as the mayor’s chauffeur and says he would not be homeless if he had been successful” so he never had a job as a chauffeur only an interview.
He says “I have been told I’m not the council’s responsibility”, well it is the same for everyone else. Why does he think he is any different?
He say “I have never been on benefits and see where that has got me”, answer – same for the rest of us.
And if he was white and English he would be even further down the list !

Controversial issue. I guess nobody should be living on the streets in these modern times. However, why should people make a lifestyle choice to live on benefits? Some people genuinely fall on hard times but too many people choose to live off the state. This country doesn't favour people who work hard and earn lots of money. No instead people propose rich taxes and limited bonuses. Might get to the point where I'll either move abroad or just blow all my cash and live on benefits.

Carparkattendant says...
11:40am Thu 25 Oct 12 ;

"And if he was white and English he would be even further down the list !"

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for this blistering bit of bigotry?

"A Bromley Council spokesman said: We cannot discuss individual cases"

I know there's data protection and stuff, but given that he's quite happy to make his side of his 'story' public, surely the council should be able to / be allowed to?

Like most of these stories, I suspect there's a lot more to this than we're being told.

A biomedical graduate working as a chauffeur?

Anyway - he has been offered somewhere. So it's Crawley - it's not meant to be permanent. He will get HB if he finds somewhere himself. And as for blaming the council for not giving him the Mayor's driver's job on a plate ... you've got to be kidding!?!?

i hope his car is fully insured, MOT and taxed to be parked on a public road

Gavinp wrote:

toffeeapple wrote:
Most Councils have a waiting list of around 3000 so I'm afraid he is one of many thousands. I know someone who was unable to pay her Mortgage due to losing her job and was repossessed and was told by the council she is not entitled to be rehoused - and she has a child. We simply cannot house all the people that need it when the accommodation is just not there.

I also know some body whos relationship broke up and had 3 kids.

The council pay the interest on her mortgage only, She gets to keep her large 3 bedroom house in a lovely part of orpington.

Is that right?

I certainly don't know, i would of thought she should of been made to sell the house and live off the equity first then be housed in a housing association place?

Actually Gavinp, the interest only payment is capped at about 30pounds a week. The rest has to be met by the claimant and this is not paid by the council, but by the benefit office and is deducted from your benefit allowance.
So your 'friend' is not as lucky as you think. She is probably scrapping the barrel trying to keep a roof over her head and that of her kids. Been there done that. Not easy.

Been there had the same said to me we cant help you, if i was offered a hostel at the time i would have jumped at it, how can he afford to run a car if his got no money?

mouthalmighty wrote:

Gavinp wrote:

toffeeapple wrote: Most Councils have a waiting list of around 3000 so I'm afraid he is one of many thousands. I know someone who was unable to pay her Mortgage due to losing her job and was repossessed and was told by the council she is not entitled to be rehoused - and she has a child. We simply cannot house all the people that need it when the accommodation is just not there.

I also know some body whos relationship broke up and had 3 kids. The council pay the interest on her mortgage only, She gets to keep her large 3 bedroom house in a lovely part of orpington. Is that right? I certainly don't know, i would of thought she should of been made to sell the house and live off the equity first then be housed in a housing association place?

Actually Gavinp, the interest only payment is capped at about 30pounds a week. The rest has to be met by the claimant and this is not paid by the council, but by the benefit office and is deducted from your benefit allowance. So your 'friend' is not as lucky as you think. She is probably scrapping the barrel trying to keep a roof over her head and that of her kids. Been there done that. Not easy.

Definitely not scraping the barrel. Runs a 7 seater. Holidays... Designer clothes etc. Even managing to pay life insurance and save money? Any one who has savings(the exact amount I don't know),is made to use them first. Is equity in a house of tens of thousands of pounds not the same?

I thought the system was there to help through bad times not sustain a certain lifestyle?

I'm probably bitter I admit as after twenty years of being a tax payer when I needed help I was entitled to nothing as I had no children yet I long to have them but have chosen not to as I can't afford them.

This country lets people live in subsidised housing when there is no need for it.
council housing should be for people on hard times and help them get back on their feet but people stay all their lives when there is no need.
Where i work there is a woman with a child the same age as mine - I pay £800 a month rent (privately) she pays £400 a month in a housing association property because years ago she was 'homeless' and pregnant.
Why does someone in full time employment need subsidised rent? It also takes away a possible property for someone in genuine need of it.
I've been on benefits myself and its not easy but the system was set up to help people through hard times, not a lifestyle and that is what it has turned into.
The man in the report is entitled to housing benefit for a one bed property - which is great, if you can find a landlord that will accept someone on benefits.

Why didn't he accept the hostel place while he gets his benefits claim in and finds a bedsit? There's even a deposit scheme available if he can't afford to pay it. Was he actually expecting to walk out of the council offices with the keys to a house?

Also I'm slightly confused by the reporting - is he sleeping in his car or staying in his landlord's loft?

I don't want to get all Daily Mail about this, but to be in priority need (according to the legislation, which is nothing to do with Bromley council) you need to be vulnerable by age or disability etc or have children - otherwise it is expected that there is nothing stopping you from finding your own home.

As for the fact he's never been on benefits, that's admirable, but the welfare system is there to use when times are hard so he should have no shame in using it now!

He wasn't there tonight, and I've never seen him either!!! Strange as that's where I work!

I see that IDS is saying in the news today that benefits for having children will be capped at 2 children. At the moment only words so knowing this government, it won't get implemented. I hope it does as it's a start. Stats show that people on benefits have more children than those who do not rely on the state. That's so fundamentally wrong. Decent people decide whether they can afford to have a child or more children. Why should someone expect to keep having children and have the state pay for them?

...this smacks of racism to me!! - give the fella some help!! jeeze

I feel very sorry for this guy. There are plenty of men in this situation, sadly and, in this age of 'equality' they're at the bottom of the pile when it comes to support. Whether they're homeless due to unemployment or the victims of domestic abuse or the thoroughly biased family law system, there's precious little help available to them. Many of those sleeping rough are war veterans who now realise that the official statements made about how much their sacrifice was valued by the nation blah, blah, blah were just so much expedient, populist, guff.

I don't know his circumstances and if I do happen to see him I will talk to him and ask him. Bromley Council do not need to house him if he has no links to Bromley.

There is a homeless shelter in Bromley throughout the Christmas period up until the end of January so hopefully he'll get in there, but again, if he has no links to Bromley then he won't be allowed in.

Should be capped at one. Make people get off there bottoms and find work much quicker I'm sure. Although admittedly there isn't much around at the moment.

Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

Buttercup wrote:
Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

The best comment on here for a long time Plastic F.

Now how the F do we get that through half the populations mind.

Guess who ;) AGAIN ! wrote:
The best comment on here for a long time Plastic F.

Now how the F do we get that through half the populations mind.

No idea. I think if you speak to the vast majority of people they would agree. The only ones who wouldn't agree are the army of cider swilling, Mayfair smoking, fat, tracksuit wearing soap dodgers who frequent Bromley every day that have never done a days work in their lives that all have iPhone or Blackberrys and Sky+ who the rest of us taxpayers are keeping.

mouthalmighty wrote:

Gavinp wrote:

toffeeapple wrote:
Most Councils have a waiting list of around 3000 so I'm afraid he is one of many thousands. I know someone who was unable to pay her Mortgage due to losing her job and was repossessed and was told by the council she is not entitled to be rehoused - and she has a child. We simply cannot house all the people that need it when the accommodation is just not there.

I also know some body whos relationship broke up and had 3 kids.

The council pay the interest on her mortgage only, She gets to keep her large 3 bedroom house in a lovely part of orpington.

Is that right?

I certainly don't know, i would of thought she should of been made to sell the house and live off the equity first then be housed in a housing association place?

Actually Gavinp, the interest only payment is capped at about 30pounds a week. The rest has to be met by the claimant and this is not paid by the council, but by the benefit office and is deducted from your benefit allowance.
So your 'friend' is not as lucky as you think. She is probably scrapping the barrel trying to keep a roof over her head and that of her kids. Been there done that. Not easy.

well im not sure where you get the £30 a week from but they pay over £200 of interest a month at the moment

No Council pays mortgage payments. This is only paid by the Dept of Work and Pensions if you are in a mortgaged property and claim either Job Seekers Allowance, Employment and Support allowance,(too sick to work) Pension credit (over 60) or Income support. they pay the interest only and it is the rate set by govt, not your own rate. The council only pay for help with rent (housing Benefit is rent only and is administered by councils)- provided you qualify.

If you are not in need meaning you don't have children living with you, or are not vulnerable because you are ill or elderly, then you are not the responsibility of the local authority. ALL Councils look at ways not to help rather than the other way around. They always seek to save money regardless of who ends up on the street. If you lose your home because, for example, you were made redundant then the council will avoid it's duty by declaring you 'deliberately homeless' because you didn't pay the rent or mortgage (regardless of why). Asylum seekers and non British or EEU Nationals only get help if they have children with them or they have the ‘right to reside’ here and are ‘habitually resident’. ANYONE – including people who were born here and leave for the states for 30 odd years and then return, or EEU nationals may have the right to reside but until they have been ‘habitually resident’ will not get benefits or help with rent until they can show they can show a ‘settled status’ here. The rules are complex. The council pay millions to foreigners and the rules are not complex if you believe the Sun, Mail, Express, Star etc. The truth never makes the news. Too many will say I am wrong but the legislation doesn’t lie

People without children or a special need of some sort aren't considered a priority by councils for housing, and neither should they be.

Got me wondering though as in the 90s I found myself homeless. Although as a single adult I didn't get priority I got put on the waiting list. I able to get DSS assistance with a deposit on a private rental and was able to claim housing benefit until I got back on my feet again. Because I had said, when going on the waiting list, that I was prepared to live in some of the less salubrious of Greenwich's estates less than a year later I was offered a tower block flat, which wasn't actually in an area I considered that bad and had a lovely view, perfect for me. Do councils still have such "low demand area" schemes?

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

Look here people, whoever made this story didn't do a good job as it's full of inaccuracies. I know him very well and he's really a nice guy though I think he suffers from manic depression or something else. He's not homeless and he plays football with my brother. This shouldn't be here getting people all worked out. This dude sometimes makes you believe stuff. He's clever though but I suspect Robert Fisk fell for it and we suspect some wires are lose in his head. People chill! n News shopper pls do your homework before publishing stuff in your paper.

Rev. Sue Scottley wrote:
People without children or a special need of some sort aren't considered a priority by councils for housing, and neither should they be. Got me wondering though as in the 90s I found myself homeless. Although as a single adult I didn't get priority I got put on the waiting list. I able to get DSS assistance with a deposit on a private rental and was able to claim housing benefit until I got back on my feet again. Because I had said, when going on the waiting list, that I was prepared to live in some of the less salubrious of Greenwich's estates less than a year later I was offered a tower block flat, which wasn't actually in an area I considered that bad and had a lovely view, perfect for me. Do councils still have such "low demand area" schemes?

You say "People without children or a special need of some sort aren't considered a priority by councils for housing". Maybe you're right, but don't you think that's part of the issue? People keep having more and more children as they know they'll be looked after and be a top priority. Basically, if you're responsible and have no children because you can't afford them, you get pushed to the back of the queue if you fall on hard times and need some help. However, spend all you money, have loads of kids you can't afford, and the state will give you a nice house. There has to be a serios injustice with this situation.

thats how i feel....

Ive got no children but was bought up to believe that if you cant afford them dont have them........to put it crudely...........

cant feed them, dont breed them

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

It wasn't aimed at your specifically, so don't take offence. I was generalising about the impression that everyone has of the welfare system in this country.

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

It wasn't aimed at your specifically, so don't take offence. I was generalising about the impression that everyone has of the welfare system in this country.

Sorry PlasticFantasic I took it you were directing your comments at me due to your use of the words your..... your carer, your parents, your bank. That is why I took offence. Maybe it would be an idea for some 'able bodied' people to spend a few days living a 'disabled' persons life. The welfare system in this country is aimed at helping those that either breed their way out of their accomodation or mostly too lazy to get off their backsides and work. I know of too many 'disabled' people who are struggling beyond belief becasue they cannot get the help they need (not want), this is also true of people in dangerous situations that are forced to stay in them because there is nowhere for them to go or even any advice for them.

Sorry to rant.

nothappy263 wrote:
This country lets people live in subsidised housing when there is no need for it.
council housing should be for people on hard times and help them get back on their feet but people stay all their lives when there is no need.
Where i work there is a woman with a child the same age as mine - I pay £800 a month rent (privately) she pays £400 a month in a housing association property because years ago she was 'homeless' and pregnant.
Why does someone in full time employment need subsidised rent? It also takes away a possible property for someone in genuine need of it.
I've been on benefits myself and its not easy but the system was set up to help people through hard times, not a lifestyle and that is what it has turned into.
The man in the report is entitled to housing benefit for a one bed property - which is great, if you can find a landlord that will accept someone on benefits.

Why do people always look down on the ordinary people getting benefits the NEED and suggest they should be removed ( just because you don't get them) rather than look up at the rich and question why they don't pay their full share of the tax burden ?. The rent in council housing for the vast majority of council housing is not subsidised because these buildings were bought and paid for years ago and the rents collected more than pay for the building's upkeep and actually yield Councils profit.

What Councils have not been allowed to do is profiteer which the private sector has been allowed to do. So ordinary people cannot afford to rent in london and need help via housing benefit. Essential services such as housing should have rent controls because people need to safe good quality housing.
And before you say its not a right tell me why our politicans have their second homes in London bought by the state when they have two and three well paid jobs and some are millionaires not housing benefit cuts for them and I did not see you complaining about what they get. Just your neighbour who is lucky enough to get council housing. Would you object to Council housing if you had I bet not

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

It wasn't aimed at your specifically, so don't take offence. I was generalising about the impression that everyone has of the welfare system in this country.

Sorry PlasticFantasic I took it you were directing your comments at me due to your use of the words your..... your carer, your parents, your bank. That is why I took offence. Maybe it would be an idea for some 'able bodied' people to spend a few days living a 'disabled' persons life. The welfare system in this country is aimed at helping those that either breed their way out of their accomodation or mostly too lazy to get off their backsides and work. I know of too many 'disabled' people who are struggling beyond belief becasue they cannot get the help they need (not want), this is also true of people in dangerous situations that are forced to stay in them because there is nowhere for them to go or even any advice for them.

Sorry to rant.

Understable, sorry, my bad choice of words!

I totally agree with you, those that really do need help don't get it, or sufficient because too much time and money is spent on the malingerers, work-shy and downright criminals. I can spot these type of people a mile-off when I'm working, so, no doubt, can you all too.

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

It wasn't aimed at your specifically, so don't take offence. I was generalising about the impression that everyone has of the welfare system in this country.

Sorry PlasticFantasic I took it you were directing your comments at me due to your use of the words your..... your carer, your parents, your bank. That is why I took offence. Maybe it would be an idea for some 'able bodied' people to spend a few days living a 'disabled' persons life. The welfare system in this country is aimed at helping those that either breed their way out of their accomodation or mostly too lazy to get off their backsides and work. I know of too many 'disabled' people who are struggling beyond belief becasue they cannot get the help they need (not want), this is also true of people in dangerous situations that are forced to stay in them because there is nowhere for them to go or even any advice for them. Sorry to rant.

Understable, sorry, my bad choice of words! I totally agree with you, those that really do need help don't get it, or sufficient because too much time and money is spent on the malingerers, work-shy and downright criminals. I can spot these type of people a mile-off when I'm working, so, no doubt, can you all too.

so plastic fantastic you are a police support officer working from bromley police station is that correct?

daveinrage wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote:

plasticfantastic wrote:

Buttercup wrote: Just to let you know, Bromley don't really help anyone, who needs housing help. I am disabled and living in a very difficult and damaging domestic situation I have asked numerous times for help but each time turned away. Even once being told to go and sleep on a friends floor!!!!!!!!

That is unfortunate, and I'm sure there is probably more to your story than that, but at the end of the day, the Council are not there to be your parents or your carers. The state is not your bank, sometimes people have to look after themselves, it's not the job of the state to do so. In extreme circumstances yes, but far too many people rely on the state for handouts without even so much as a thankyou.

Thank you plasticfantastic for your comments. At no point have I asked the state to be my parents or carer. All I have ever asked is for some help/advice to get out of a harmful situation. I am fed up with being told because I have a disability that I am a drain on the state, All I want is advice not a hand out. It is people's attitudes saying that I rely on the state that make me question if I even belong on this earth. I did not ask to have a disability I became disabled as a result of being the victim of an assualt when I was 18.

It wasn't aimed at your specifically, so don't take offence. I was generalising about the impression that everyone has of the welfare system in this country.

Sorry PlasticFantasic I took it you were directing your comments at me due to your use of the words your..... your carer, your parents, your bank. That is why I took offence. Maybe it would be an idea for some 'able bodied' people to spend a few days living a 'disabled' persons life. The welfare system in this country is aimed at helping those that either breed their way out of their accomodation or mostly too lazy to get off their backsides and work. I know of too many 'disabled' people who are struggling beyond belief becasue they cannot get the help they need (not want), this is also true of people in dangerous situations that are forced to stay in them because there is nowhere for them to go or even any advice for them. Sorry to rant.

Understable, sorry, my bad choice of words! I totally agree with you, those that really do need help don't get it, or sufficient because too much time and money is spent on the malingerers, work-shy and downright criminals. I can spot these type of people a mile-off when I'm working, so, no doubt, can you all too.

so plastic fantastic you are a police support officer working from bromley police station is that correct?

I'm sorry I'm working undercover and I cannot divulge that information.

You may spot me in the Glades, I'm wearing a Poppy. I don't do autographs though.


Evening all.

Gavinp wrote:
thats how i feel....

Ive got no children but was bought up to believe that if you cant afford them dont have them........to put it crudely...........

cant feed them, dont breed them

A pathetically crass platitude, What's next 'no taxation without representation'. Even you must realise that people's circumstances change without warning. People get ill, companies close and shed workers and people die leaving one parent to raise the family. I reckon even you could think of more examples. So, whilst you might think 'can't feed, don't breed' is smart, it's basically nothing but a rhyme that has no meaning, is crass and worthless.