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Police search for boy's uncle
Gurrinder Singh
Gurrinder Singh

Police are still appealing for help locating the family of a nine-year-old boy found abandoned in Southall, and are urging his uncle to come forward.

Gurrinder Singh, who only speaks Punjabi, was found after getting off a bus police believe was going to Hayes.

He told officers, through an interpreter, his uncle had left him at a bus stop in the area and not come back.

He said they lived together in a three-bedroom house and he has been in Britain for two to three years.

Officers are looking for his uncle, who is described as white, in his 30's, of slim build and around 5ft 8inches tall.

Chief Inspector Keith Lunson, of Ealing Police, said: "We are keen to reunite Gurrinder with his family.

"We are appealing for anyone who may have seen him on a bus with his uncle, and we would specifically encourage his uncle to come forward."

Anyone with information can contact Ealing Missing Persons Unit on 020 8236 1040, or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

7:52am Saturday 22nd March 2008

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Posted by: Gary, Essex on 3:55pm Sat 22 Mar 08
I am a member of the M.I.9 crime organisation and Me and my team will do anything to help you find this man.
Posted by: Croyboy on 9:29am Sun 23 Mar 08
...And when you find him, then what?
Let me guess: "What language would you like to be interviewed in, Mr.Singh? Punjabi? Gujarati? Hindi? Bengali? ...We can supply interpreters for all of them". (at the taxpayers' expense)
"Oh, you need counselling, you say? No probs! ...And legal representation? Sure! Naturally you'll want someone specialising in how to dodge immigration rules... Ooops! I mean specialising in immigration and asylum issues."
"Now, then, can you pay for any of this? ...No? Well, it doesn't matter: I'll just give social services a bell and they can fix you up with any accommodation you might what and cash to tide you over."
"No, don't worry about the boy: the social is already picking up the tab for him."
"What's that? ...Send him back!? Hah! the very idea Mr.Singh! This is England, the Land of Plenty. We never send anyone back!"

Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 2:30pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Croyboy, did you miss the most vital point, that the 'uncle' is white! Obvious paedophile, find him and then hang him thats what they need to do!
Posted by: hindi, ilford on 4:28pm Sun 23 Mar 08
croyboy? or should i call u cryboy u need 2 stop moaning and get a life ! u talk crap !just another redneck who cant take the fact that u people are second rate no class whiteboys in ur own country !just shut up keep hurtin !lol
Posted by: AJ, London on 11:32pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Cryboy lol that is excellent! You do see him on here too often with his views on immigrants etc. Hindi, I couldnt of said it better myself!
Posted by: Yogi, Beartown on 2:21am Mon 24 Mar 08
Croyboy you are constantly telling us all what a multicultural hell hole we live in.
I remember you stating recently that the nazis had a lot of good ideas, you failed to give any examples of these "good ideas" though??
Feel free to enlighten us.
And your comments in response to the tragic story about the terrified young Mauritius girl and the death of her baby, are truly disgusting.
You state we should be grateful of the baby`s death because it saves the taxpayer money!!! You are one sick and twisted individual and you have the cheek to claim you talk on behalf of the REAL british people.
I am surprised you are not calling for the boy in this story to be sent to a concentration camp or suggesting he be used for the purposes of medical research.

You are not qualified to talk on behalf of any normal decent human being, only sick depraved morons like yourself.
Posted by: Croyboy on 8:30am Mon 24 Mar 08
Lisa wrote:
Croyboy, did you miss the most vital point, that the \'uncle\' is white! Obvious paedophile, find him and then hang him thats what they need to do!
No, I didn't "miss the most vital point": the so-called "white" uncle apparently spoke Punjabi. Someone with more knowledge on this subject than either you or I said:
"White male could simply mean fair skinned. In Punjabi language the word used is 'gora'. Gora is used both for fair skinned and also to describe a caucasian male".

As for immediately jumping to the conclusion that this involved an "Obvious paedophile", I find too many people these days have an unhealthy preoccupation with this subject, but it shows how some peoples' minds work.

Posted by: Croyboy on 8:36am Mon 24 Mar 08
hindi wrote:
croyboy? or should i call u cryboy u need 2 stop moaning and get a life ! u talk crap !just another redneck who cant take the fact that u people are second rate no class whiteboys in ur own country !just shut up keep hurtin !lol
Hi, hindi!
I really don't like to mention this, but don't you think your above comment could be interpreted as being - well - "racist"?

BTW, I can recommend some good books on how to express yourself in written English, if you're interested.

Posted by: Croyboy on 9:10am Mon 24 Mar 08
Yogi wrote:
Croyboy you are constantly telling us all what a multicultural hell hole we live in.

No. But I often put forward the point that mass immigration and multiculturalism just
might not be in the interests of my country, people, and culture. ...I hope you aren't suggesting that I have no right to do so? And yes, I think I do speak on behalf of many of my countrymen. I say now - as I've frequently said in the past - that I'm quite happy to be proved wrong in a referendum on the subject. Can I be fairer than that?

Yogi wrote:
I remember you stating recently that the nazis had a lot of good ideas, you failed to give any examples of these "good ideas" though??

Firstly, I'm flattered that you should recall my humble contributions. Secondly, I should be pleased to rectify my failure: the Nazi Party was probably the first ecologically-aware political group in Europe; it promoted motorways (until recently considered a Good Thing!), personal transport for the masses (the Volkswagen),
and health and fitness for ordinary citizens, especially young people (Think of our ever-increasing obesity problem. And before you say "Oh, yes: the Hitler Youth!", this was based on the ideas of our very own Baden Powell.
Enough for you?

Yogi wrote:
And your comments in response to the tragic story about the terrified young Mauritius girl and the death of her baby, are truly disgusting.

If you were to pause and think for a second, rather than to trip over yourself in your eagerness to display your moral superiority, you could possibly have concluded that said "young Mauritius girl" dumping her baby was ever more reprehensible than my comments.

As for the ad hominem insults, I never bother to respond, as they show ipso facto that you have no valid argument to make.


Posted by: Yogi, Beartown on 12:58pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Croyboy

Firstly, I'm flattered that you should recall my humble contributions. Secondly, I should be pleased to rectify my failure: the Nazi Party was probably the first ecologically-aware political group in Europe; it promoted motorways (until recently considered a Good Thing!), personal transport for the masses (the Volkswagen),
and health and fitness for ordinary citizens, especially young people (Think of our ever-increasing obesity problem. And before you say "Oh, yes: the Hitler Youth!", this was based on the ideas of our very own Baden Powell.
Enough for you?


Firstly no need to be flattered, I am just highlighting the fact that you are a Nazi sympathizer and your views are far removed from those of most normal British people.
I have no idea whether your claims regarding the virtues of the Nazi`s are correct or not.
However, I do know for certain that the German Nazi government were responsible for the systematic slaughter of millions of innocent people. And you championing their good points,(even if, as you claim they actually had some), is like someone championing the virtues of Jack the Ripper....describing him as a guy who had a lot of good points, just didnt like prostitutes, but was fine with "ordinary people".
I think when an organisation or person is responsible for depraved evil atrocities against mankind , no normal person champions their good points.

Croyboy
If you were to pause and think for a second, rather than to trip over yourself in your eagerness to display your moral superiority, you could possibly have concluded that said "young Mauritius girl" dumping her baby was ever more reprehensible than my comments.


The fact that the girl involved in this story never told her parents or anyone else she was pregnant , fled her homeland and gave birth in a foreign country without any medical or other assistance, would suggest these were the actions of a very desperate young girl.
Anyway regardless of your views on the mother`s actions, for you to state that you think the death of a baby is a good thing, because it will save the taxpayer money , IMO is a truly sick thing to say and me stating this, is not an attempt to display moral superiority, it is more a case of displaying your moral inferiority compared to that of any decent human being.
Posted by: Croyboy on 8:26am Tue 25 Mar 08
Yogi wrote:
I have no idea whether your claims regarding the virtues of the Nazi`s are correct or not.

Really! ...So modest. I thought you saw yourself as an authority on this and many other subjects!

Yogi wrote:
I do know for certain that the German Nazi government were responsible for the systematic slaughter of millions of innocent people.

Yes, while the communist governments of the Soviet Union and China killed an even greater number of " innocent people". And whereas this all happened before I - and I suspect you - were born - the communist government of Cambodia was killing people far more recently, and communist government of North Korea continues to do so today, so why your pre-occupation with ancient history?
Oh, yes, and in your wisdom (?), am I permitted to "champion" the "good points" of oppressive communist regimes such as those in Vietnam, Cuba, and China (until recently), which have made considerable improvements in health care? ...Or is it only the Nazis that are a no-no?

Yogi wrote:
I think when an organisation or person is responsible for depraved evil atrocities against mankind , no normal person champions their good points.

Ah, The Guru has Spoken! Tell me, Yogi, does dropping thousands of tons of bombs on rice farmers in Cambodia count as one of those "depraved evil atrocities against mankind"? If so, what does the Guru say about championing any possible American "good points"?
Better quit now, Yogi: you're making yourself a public laughing stock

On the question of Mauritian girl, Yogi wrote:
...regardless of your views on the mother`s actions, for you to state that you think the death of a baby is a good thing, because it will save the taxpayer money , IMO is a truly sick thing to say..

You can't know for sure what I "think", but I have made it clear that it would appear to be not altogether to the UK taxpayers' disadvantage that events took the turn they did. But the main point is, it's not our responsibility, and we cannot supply welfare facilities to the whole world... although our "betters" at Westminster don't seem to have realised this yet.

Posted by: Croygirl, London on 2:06pm Tue 25 Mar 08
Croyboy, were you dropped on your head as a child?
Posted by: Yogi, Beartown on 2:47pm Tue 25 Mar 08
croyboy

Really! ...So modest. I thought you saw yourself as an authority on this and many other subjects!


LOL croyboy, do the words pot, kettle and black mean anything to you?

croyboy

Yes, while the communist governments of the Soviet Union and China killed an even greater number of " innocent people". And whereas this all happened before I - and I suspect you - were born - the communist government of Cambodia was killing people far more recently, and communist government of North Korea continues to do so today, so why your pre-occupation with ancient history?
Oh, yes, and in your wisdom (?), am I permitted to "champion" the "good points" of oppressive communist regimes such as those in Vietnam, Cuba, and China (until recently), which have made considerable improvements in health care? ...Or is it only the Nazis that are a no-no?


I have no interest in debating the good/bad points of different past or present regimes.
The reason i made mention of the Nazis, was to highlight the fact that you, like most other far right racist extremists seem to feel some kind of affinity with Facsism and Hitler`s Nazis . And I have seen you on more than one occasion championing their virtues.
Funnily enough I have only seen you mention other "oppresive regimes" whilst trying to defend your admiration of Hitler`s Nazi regime.

croyboy

You can't know for sure what I "think", but I have made it clear that it would appear to be not altogether to the UK taxpayers' disadvantage that events took the turn they did. But the main point is, it's not our responsibility, and we cannot supply welfare facilities to the whole world... although our "betters" at Westminster don't seem to have realised this yet.


You say I dont know for sure what you think.
Ok but the fact that you stated in your comments regarding
the young girl and the tragic death of
her baby, that we should be grateful the baby died because it will save the taxpayer money. I would suggest you are making
your "thoughts"
pretty visible with this statement, resulting in quite a good insight into what you think(regarding this story), would you agree?

As for you continuing to
ridiculously defend your despicable comments regarding said story, apart from offering an apology,I suggest you
"Better quit now, before making yourself
a public laughing stock"

As I mentioned before Imo any decent human being,would view such comments as utterly repulsive.
Posted by: Croyboy on 9:08am Wed 26 Mar 08
Croygirl wrote:
Croyboy, were you dropped on your head as a child?
Why? Do you find it impedes your ability to make sensible comments?
...Or do you simply want to set up a victims' support group?

Posted by: Croyboy on 9:49am Wed 26 Mar 08
Yogi wrote:
LOL croyboy, do the words pot, kettle and black mean anything to you?

Certainly, but they hardly apply in this case, as it was you who asked me a question: viz.
Yogi wrote:
I remember you stating recently that the nazis had a lot of good ideas, you failed to give any examples of these "good ideas" though??

Consequently I gave the examples you requested. So what's your point? ...A little miffed that some people can back up their views with something other than emotional outbursts and playground insults? Your maturity problems are hardly my fault, are they?

Yogi wrote:
I have no interest in debating the good/bad points of different past or present regimes.

Very wise. I thus take it this includes 1930s Germany?

Yogi wrote:
The reason i made mention of the Nazis, was to highlight the fact that you, like most other far right racist extremists seem to feel some kind of affinity with Facsism and Hitler`s Nazis.

Ah, Yogi, but it's awkward to "highlight" any facts when you have only a sketchy knowledge of what said "facts" actually are. Furthermore, you haven't the faintest idea of what I stand for - other than knowing I want to stop, then reverse, the flood of aliens into my country...of any race; but in my experience people of your ilk, who spring to conclusions and make wild accusations, aren't interested in the reality, and their views are warped by blind prejudice.
...And I wouldn't use the word "affinity", but yes, I certainly think the Nazis had some good ideas, just as Mao's China had some good policies, and the USA also has some good policies. Does that make me a communist and a Yankee Doodle Dandy according to the Great Guru?

Concerning the Mauritian girl, I've already made my views clear, i.e. "...it would appear to be not altogether to the UK taxpayers' disadvantage that events took the turn they did".
Beyond that you are free to infer whatever you wish.
Oh, and while we're on the subject, you might like to consider the tens of thousands - if not hundreds of thousands - of pounds of taxpayers' money which must have been consumed in the police investigation, bringing the case to court (local and high), legal representation, instructing a QC, providing accommodation and transport, and supplying interpreters/transla

tors. Did you Yogi, by any chance, stop to think about all of this? I suspect not, as you're too busy making ringing, but hollow, feel-good, moral pronouncements.




Posted by: Mike, Uxbridge on 1:06pm Wed 26 Mar 08
For once I must find myself agreeing with a lot of what Croyboy has said, regarding past issues such as the Nazi party and Mao's China, both offering up some excellent ideas, especially Mao's China, just a sham about the genocide.
But that doesnt mean I agree with everything stated. I personally believe the influx of immigrants is purely the next step of evolution in a country with more miggrant heritage than any other. In fact we can hardly claim to be british. Everyone within this country is a product of immigration, wheter it be recent from places like India and Pakistan or over 2000 years ago from Germanic europe. The truth of Britain is that we are a nation built upon immigartion and multiculturalism, something that has worked to our advantage in the past. Todays Britain purely seems to be history repeating, however in a more socially violent and implosive way than ever.
Anyway, doesn't bother me, soon as I finnish uni im off to Canada.
Posted by: Yogi, Beartown on 10:15pm Wed 26 Mar 08
You claim I am guilty of playground insults and that my views are warped by blind prejudice, which is an accusation I find kind of rich given your views on "the death of the immigrant baby story"
Also you claim I am guilty of springing to conclusions and making wild accusations. And you state I havent the faintest idea of what you stand for.
I beg to differ, I think you have furnished us all with enough of your views ,for me to have a pretty "good idea of what you stand for".

As for these "wild" accusations and "playground insults" are you refering to me stating I believe your views to be far right, extremist and racist ?

If this is the case, here is a small assortment of your views that led me to "spring" to my conclusions and make such "wild" accusations.

Firstly you advocate the removal from this country of millions of hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens because they were not born in this country and did not enter this country(albeit perfectly legally) "in your opinion " at an early enough time for you to deem them worthy of being here. And you advocate the removal of all of their subsequent british born descendants.
You claim you would like to see a "democratic" referendum concerning this issue ,when asked whether you believed all british citizens should be allowed to partake in this "democratic" procedure, you answered "not if I could help it, would you allow turkeys to vote for christmas?" I take it in this anology, the turkeys are meant to represent british citizens not born in this country and their descendants , and is Christmas meant to be the removal of said people??
Nice and democratic then, nearly as democratic as... well...Nazi germany.(lol)

Secondly you claim that we should not be surprised if a Dr with a foreign sounding name is guilty of professional wrongdoing , because as you put it , the crime they are guilty of is probably common practice in their country, even though you dont actually have any idea which country said Dr is from and could quite possibly be from this country.

Thirdly and posiibly the most insightful into the kind of person you are , is your take on the story involving the death of an innocent baby, your view on this story was that because the baby`s mother was an illegal immigrant we should be grateful of the baby dying because it will save the taxpayer money.

So you see, judging from these views, I dont think many reasonable people would think me guilty of springing to conclusions or making wild accusations, when I claim your views are Racist, Far Right and Extremist.
You seem to be under the impression that because you can string a few sentences together and possess a reasonable level of intelligence, (quite untypical of most of the knuckle draggers that share your views), that this somehow masks what you really are or as you put it "what you stand for".
Posted by: Romsey on 10:42pm Wed 26 Mar 08
For once I must find myself agreeing with a lot of what Croyboy has said, regarding past issues such as the Nazi party and Mao's China, both offering up some excellent ideas, especially Mao's China, just a sham about the genocide.
But that doesnt mean I agree with everything stated. I personally believe the influx of immigrants is purely the next step of evolution in a country with more miggrant heritage than any other. In fact we can hardly claim to be british. Everyone within this country is a product of immigration, wheter it be recent from places like India and Pakistan or over 2000 years ago from Germanic europe. The truth of Britain is that we are a nation built upon immigartion and multiculturalism, something that has worked to our advantage in the past. Todays Britain purely seems to be history repeating, however in a more socially violent and implosive way than ever.
Anyway, doesn't bother me, soon as I finnish uni im off to Canada.


Mike, no offence to you but if you are seriously finding yourself agreeing with a lot of what croyboy says.....seek medical help....NOW!!!!!
Also if you believe that current day britain is socially more violent than that of britain 2000 years ago, I sincerely hope you are not studying British history at university.
Posted by: Croyboy on 8:04am Fri 28 Mar 08
Mike wrote that we are
...a country with more miggrant heritage than any other. In fact we can hardly claim to be british.

Yes, that's the sort of thing the trendies have been putting about for some time, isn't it? ...Unfortunately, it's not true: recent DNA research has revealed that the overwhelming influence in our genes shows that we - the native English - are closely related to the most ancient inhabitants of Europe, including the modern-day Basques, and that the Nordic (Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman) component is in fact quite modest.
Also, can you image the furore if anyone dared to day "In fact we (or 'they') can hardly claim to be Canadian, Dutch, Nigerian" or whatever?" Thus, no, we aren't - as Mike went on to say "...a nation built upon immigartion and multiculturalism", and whether the immigration we have had is "something that has worked to our advantage" is highly debatable.

Posted by: Croyboy on 8:49am Fri 28 Mar 08
Yogi wrote:
You claim I am guilty of playground insults...

There's no "claim" about it: read what you've already written.

Yogi wrote:
And you state I havent the faintest idea of what you stand for.

That's right. Although I've always openly said I think it would be in the UK's interest to stop the importation of people, and then to start repatriating the majority of the aliens already here, that doesn't mean you know what I think on any other subjects, something you frequently affect to have knowledge of (That's the "wild accusations" bit.). ...And anyway, why should it matter to you?

Yogi wrote:
Firstly you advocate the removal from this country of millions of hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens because they were not born in this country...

I advocate their removal, yes, but tell me Yogi, how on earth do you know they're all
"hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens"? You are again affecting to possess knowledge you don't in fact have.

Yogi wrote:
You claim you would like to see a "democratic" referendum concerning this issue ,when asked whether you believed all british citizens should be allowed to partake in this "democratic" procedure, you answered "not if I could help it, would you allow turkeys to vote for christmas?" I take it in this anology, the turkeys are meant to represent british citizens not born in this country and their descendants , and is Christmas meant to be the removal of said people??
Nice and democratic then, nearly as democratic as... well...Nazi germany.(lol)

It would be a thoroughly democratic procedure, as the "demos" - the people - would decide, rather than an unrepresentative clique of professional nest-fetherers and jobsworths in the Westminster talking-shop.

Yogi wrote:
So you see, judging from these views, I dont think many reasonable people would think me guilty of springing to conclusions or making wild accusations, when I claim your views are Racist, Far Right and Extremist.

Ah, Yogi, but:
1/ Who's a "reasonable" person in this case? ...Someone who agrees with you?
2/ My views on immigration are clear enough, but maybe you're extrapolating too much from them.
3/ When have I ever mentioned "race"? ...As opposed to yourself!
4/ Why do you feel the need to keep finding a label to hang around the necks of others? Do you think that by so doing you can switch your brain off regarding any (awkward) argument they might make? ...Although I can see the advantages of doing this: it absolves one from having to think too much, doesn't it?
5/ Have you ever considered I might be a Green? ...You know, smaller population equals more sustainability?
6/ And to rephrase a previous question: why should my personal qualities be so important to you anyway?

As for the matters of the Mauritian mother who left her baby to die, and the doctor who conned her desperately sick patients, I've already answered your questions elsewhere - and can't help but notice you seem to be preoccupied with my opinions on these reports rather than having any sort of empathy with the actual victims of the crimes.
I wonder why.

Posted by: Mike, Uxbridge on 11:21am Fri 28 Mar 08
Well from other recent DNA studies as well Croyboy, we have seen significant examples of DNA dating back to early Mediterranean tribes. As for modest amounts of Northern European blood you claim, it depends on what area you are looking at. Significant proportions of costal areas are rife with ancient Germanic and Gaul DNA, especially areas in the North and Scotland as well as Cornwall, hence the spread of the Germanic religions troughout europe. Anyway, my point here was that as we can see, there is DNA from all over europe in Britain, DNA from many other races and cultures thus meaning their are very few people in this country with truly British DNA. So well done for completely missing my point and thats the last time I defend anything you have to say.
Posted by: Yogi, Beartown on 1:44pm Fri 28 Mar 08
That's right. Although I've always openly said I think it would be in the UK's interest to stop the importation of people, and then to start repatriating the majority of the aliens already here, that doesn't mean you know what I think on any other subjects, something you frequently affect to have knowledge of (That's the "wild accusations" bit.). ...And anyway, why should it matter to you?


Incorrect im afraid Croyboy , I have only expressed my opinions on the(your) views you have provided me with. And as i explained earlier I believe you have shared enough of your views with us, for me to have a good idea of what you stand for.
As for your question of" why should it matter to me?"
It doesnt it is just my opinion.

I advocate their removal, yes, but tell me Yogi, how on earth do you know they're all
"hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens"? You are again affecting to possess knowledge you don't in fact have.


Incorrect again Croyboy , I stated ,your proposed "repatriation" of overseas born British citizens and their descendants would involve the removal of millions of hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding British citizens. Feel free to challenge this fact.
I think you mistakenly thought I was claiming that every single non british born citizen and descendant of, is hardworking law abiding and taxpaying. A claim I never made made nor believe, in much the same way I dont believe every single "indigenous" citizen possesses such qualities.
Try identyfing my claims correctly before challenging them, it will save you "making a public laughing stock of yourself".

It would be a thoroughly democratic procedure, as the "demos" - the people - would decide, rather than an unrepresentative clique of professional nest-fetherers and jobsworths in the Westminster talking-shop.


You have previously advocated not allowing non british born or their british born descendants the allowance to vote in this "democratic" referendum. Afterall as you put it "would you allow turkey`s a vote on Xmas"
If this is still your stance.....I think your idea of democracy has more in common with your admired Nazi Germany, than the democracy we experience in current day Britain.


1/ Who's a "reasonable" person in this case? ...Someone who agrees with you?


Look up the meaning of the word "reasonable" in a dictionary, I am quite happy to accept this definition.

2/ My views on immigration are clear enough, but maybe you're extrapolating too much from them.


If you honestly believe that your view of "repatriation" would not widely be considered to be politically Far Right and Extremist....Then Imo ,you are living in a dream world.


3/ When have I ever mentioned "race"? ...As opposed to yourself!


I dont remember mentioning "race", other than my stating that I believe your views to be racist, i.e
I highlited your views on the Dr with a foreign sounding name, Imo your view on said issue is clearly racist.You are so desperate to escape the tag of being "racist", it is laughable, when Imo ,you so clearly are.


4/ Why do you feel the need to keep finding a label to hang around the necks of others?


I am just expressing my opinions, if in doing so I am guilty of "labelling" others then so be it. As long as I give reasoning for any such labelling ,I dont see that this should be a problem, should it? I seem to remember you "labelling" others as "liberal`s" on more than one occasion.... Oh dear that pot is not rearing it`s ugly head again, is it?


5/ Have you ever considered I might be a Green? ...You know, smaller population equals more sustainability?


I honestly admit I never conisidered that you might be "a green". The fact that I have seen you expressing your distaste of "liberal`s" on numerous occasions here, led me to rule out this possibility, considering that the "green`s" are widely viewed as being....well...pret

ty liberal!
Not to say I dont believe you may agree with some of their goals, just you probably have a slightly different idea than they, on how to achieve them.(lol)

6/ And to rephrase a previous question: why should my personal qualities be so important to you anyway?


They are not, as previously stated I am just airing my opinions, what else is this forum for?

As for the matters of the Mauritian mother who left her baby to die, and the doctor who conned her desperately sick patients, I've already answered your questions elsewhere - and can't help but notice you seem to be preoccupied with my opinions on these reports rather than having any sort of empathy with the actual victims of the crimes.
I wonder why.


Well I think I have shown a little more empathy with the victims of said stories than you have.
I mean most certainly the most tragic victim in these stories must be the innocent baby that died....However you stated we should all be grateful this baby died because it will save us taxpayers` money.....
Need i say more?
Posted by: Croyboy on 11:45am Sat 29 Mar 08
Mike wrote:
Well from other recent DNA studies as well Croyboy, we have seen significant examples of DNA dating back to early Mediterranean tribes.

1/ What do you mean by "significant" examples of DNA? ...I was talking about a predominance of a certain DNA - i.e. from the Basque tribe.
2/ What, in this case, is "early"? (It is a crucial point, after all.)

Mike wrote:
there is DNA from all over europe in Britain...

Sure, but "there is DNA from all over" everywhere in every place if you should choose to go into sufficient detail.

Mike wrote:
their are few people in this country with truly British DNA

What, pray tell me is "British DNA"?

Mike wrote:
thats the last time I defend anything you have to say.

Oh, what a grievous blow!
But seriously, Mike, you told us earlier that "soon as I finnish uni im off to Canada"; I should have hoped that studying at university level would have done something for you in terms of clear, analytical thinking...and spelling! Still, I suppose Britain's loss is Canada's gain.
Bon voyage!

Posted by: Croyboy on 4:48pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Yogi wrote: ...as i explained earlier I believe you have shared enough of your views with us, for me to have a good idea of what you stand for.
Yes, you might well "believe" that, Yogi, but it doesn't mean it's true. After all, millions of people "believe" a Jewish carpenter was the Son of God! But that aside, your whole attitude is one of wanting to attack the speaker rather than debate the facts, which cannot but help lead one to suspect that you have no confidence in being able to successfully do the latter.

Yogi wrote: Incorrect again Croyboy , I stated ,your proposed "repatriation" of overseas born British citizens and their descendants would involve the removal of millions of hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding British citizens. Feel free to challenge this fact.
I'd be delighted to challenge it...firstly by asking what "fact" you're talking about! How many, or what proportion, are "hardworking"? After all, a good many of the welfare-dependent inhabitants of the sink estates around Croydon are immigrants/of immigrant descent. Thus "taxpaying"? ...Hardly. "law abiding"? ...Not if drug-dealing and mugging have yet to be decriminalised; and what about the "law abiding British citizens" who blew themselves up on the tube, and those other "law abiding British citizens" who go abroad - or perhaps stay here - to pursue jihad? However, all this is in a way irrelevant, as even if "every single non british born citizen and descendant of," was "hardworking law abiding and taxpaying", my contention is that we don't need them here.

Yogi wrote: You have previously advocated not allowing non british born or their british born descendants the allowance to vote in this "democratic" referendum. Afterall as you put it "would you allow turkey`s a vote on Xmas"
If this is still your stance...
Yes, it is: Croyboy is nothing if not consistent!
Yogi wrote: I think your idea of democracy has more in common with your admired Nazi Germany, than the democracy we experience in current day Britain.
Why "your admired Nazi Germany"? You also said earlier "I am just highlighting the fact that you are a Nazi sympathizer..." How do you know any of this? ...And this from an individual who said "I have no interest in debating the good/bad points of different past or present regimes" - which suggests a limited knowledge of same. ...And, again, why are you apparently afraid to stick to the issues? It really doesn't matter to me what you or, for that matter, anyone else might think about me personally, so it's rather a tiresome waste of time trotting out the same old shrieks of "Racist" and "Nazi" in practically every post.

Yogi wrote: Look up the meaning of the word "reasonable" in a dictionary, I am quite happy to accept this definition.
Excellent advice! ...I did so, and it seems to be defined as someone like myself.

Yogi wrote: If you honestly believe that your view of "repatriation" would not widely be considered to be politically Far Right and Extremist....Then Imo ,you are living in a dream world.
You see? Value judgement again! My view is that repatriation is a means to an end, that end being for me to get my country back. I'm not concerned with "left" or "right", "extreme" or "moderate"; these are mere distractions from the job in hand. And I'm certainly not the type to wave a Union Jack in the street.

Yogi wrote: I dont remember mentioning "race", other than my stating that I believe your views to be racist...
Quite true, but you do the latter so often that... Well, see above.

As regards label-hanging, you said: I am just expressing my opinions, if in doing so I am guilty of "labelling" others then so be it. As long as I give reasoning for any such labelling ,I dont see that this should be a problem, should it? I seem to remember you "labelling" others as "liberal`s" on more than one occasion.... Oh dear that pot is not rearing it`s ugly head again, is it?
Of course it's only an opinion, albeit one repetitively expressed. Maybe that's the point. Yes, I'm sure I must have mentioned the word "liberal" in passing, but
ad nauseam? ...As an incantation that was somehow supposed to prove I was on the side of the angels? ....No, Yogi, I think not.

And about my being Green, you were led to rule out this possibility, considering that the "green`s" are widely viewed as being....well...pret
ty liberal!
Oh, dear! ...In my experience dedicated greens are about the most illiberal people you could wish to meet.

Yogi wrote: I am just airing my opinions, what else is this forum for?
A strange question! Surely it's primarily "for" discussing issues and airing opinions about issues, not about those who air those opinions, which is - other than the occasional observation - a fruitless waste of space.

And in your regular "Mauritian mother" slot you wrote: Well I think I have shown a little more empathy with the victims of said stories than you have.
Is it a competition? As far as I can tell, it's only in your most recent post that you've deigned to say anything empathetic at all. But my priorities are with the Home Front. As I've said elsewhere: why should the British taxpayer be required to spend money extorted from us supposedly for the purpose of providing services and facilities for British citizens in order to look after people and their offspring from other parts of the world?
Well?

Posted by: Yogi, beartown on 9:53pm Sun 30 Mar 08
I'd be delighted to challenge it...firstly by asking what "fact" you're talking about! How many, or what proportion, are "hardworking"? After all, a good many of the welfare-dependent inhabitants of the sink estates around Croydon are immigrants/of immigrant descent. Thus "taxpaying"? ...Hardly. "law abiding"? ...Not if drug-dealing and mugging have yet to be decriminalised; and what about the "law abiding British citizens" who blew themselves up on the tube, and those other "law abiding British citizens" who go abroad - or perhaps stay here - to pursue jihad? However, all this is in a way irrelevant, as even if "every single non british born citizen and descendant of," was "hardworking law abiding and taxpaying", my contention is that we don't need them here.



According to the 2001 cencus there were around 7.5 million non british born/descendants(pro

bably substantially more now) in the UK ,and government figures tell us that overall, 11% of people from ethnic minorities are unemployed.
I would suggest this evidence clearly proves the accuracy of my claim that the removal of non British born citizens/descendants would involve the removal of millions of hardworking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens.
I agree with you when you say your comments about immigrants/descendan

ts residing in croydon and the 7/7 bombers, are in a way irrelevant, I would go a little further though and say they are totally irrelevant.
These comments could hardly be judged as conclusive, or in fact as any kind of evidence to dispute my "fact." And is not exactly the argument I would expect from someone interested in "debating the facts".
Your mention of the 7/7 bombers is like someone making mention of David Copeland when discussing what % of the "indigenous" population are hardworking, taxpayers. Totally ridiculous.

Yogi wrote: You have previously advocated not allowing non british born or their british born descendants the allowance to vote in this "democratic" referendum. Afterall as you put it "would you allow turkey`s a vote on Xmas"
If this is still your stance...
Yes, it is: Croyboy is nothing if not consistent!


The fact that you advocate disallowing over 15% of this country`s citizens the right to take part in what you call a "thoroughly democratic" referendum As I stated earlier this kind of "democracy" seems to have more in common with Nazi Germany than any conventional view of democracy. Didnt Hitler also select on grounds of ethnicity (amongst other things) which people legally present in Germany were worthy of being accepted as German citizens.

Why "your admired Nazi Germany"? You also said earlier "I am just highlighting the fact that you are a Nazi sympathizer..." How do you know any of this? ...And this from an individual who said "I have no interest in debating the good/bad points of different past or present regimes" - which suggests a limited knowledge of same. ...And, again, why are you apparently afraid to stick to the issues?


The fact I have seen you on more than one occasion championing the virtues of the nazis, leads me to believe you have some level of"admiration" and "sympathy" for them.
Would you suggest, that given my reasoning, it is an unreasonable conclusion for me to come to?
I think you stating that my disinterest in debating a subject, suggests I have limited knowledge of said subject, isnt this a slightly more unreasonable judgement to make?...Could it be considered as jumping to conclusions...maybe?


It really doesn't matter to me what you or, for that matter, anyone else might think about me personally, so it's rather a tiresome waste of time trotting out the same old shrieks of "Racist" and "Nazi" in practically every post.



I dont believe I have ever "shrieked" that you are a nazi, I think I have only highlited the fact, that I have on numerous occasions seen you express admiration for some of Nazi policies.


As regards label-hanging, you said: I am just expressing my opinions, if in doing so I am guilty of "labelling" others then so be it. As long as I give reasoning for any such labelling ,I dont see that this should be a problem, should it? I seem to remember you "labelling" others as "liberal`s" on more than one occasion.... Oh dear that pot is not rearing it`s ugly head again, is it?
Of course it's only an opinion, albeit one repetitively expressed. Maybe that's the point. Yes, I'm sure I must have mentioned the word "liberal" in passing, but
ad nauseam? ...As an incantation that was somehow supposed to prove I was on the side of the angels? ....No, Yogi, I think not.


As I explained in my previous post, I dont think as you put it "label hanging" is such a bad thing as long as it is backed by clear reasoning.
You say I am guilty of "repetitively stating a point....I dont suppose you would ever be guilty of such a crime would you?
I mean it is not as if nearly every post you make on this site is expressing your dislike(in some shape or form) of multiculturalism in Britain, is it?Not another Croyboy pot, kettle scenario by any chance?, These seem to be becoming more and more evident.

As for my trying to appear "on the side of angels", I dont think stating my disagreement or distate of your views really makes me guilty of this.Does it?

And about my being Green, you were led to rule out this possibility, considering that the "green`s" are widely viewed as being....well...pret


ty liberal!
Oh, dear! ...In my experience dedicated greens are about the most illiberal people you could wish to meet.


Well if you meant by "a green" someone supporting the "Green Party" or their policies( what else would a green be?)
I think you will find that the Green Party are widely accepted as occupying a centre-left position in this country`s political spectrum. A position also widely viewed as being pretty liberal. I am also certain they dont share your vision of "repatration" as an aid to improving