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Stab victim was car thief
Dad-to-be Mikey Brown was serving a suspended sentence for stealing cars and driving dangerously at the time he was fatally stabbed in the Works nightclub in June.
At the time of his death, Mikey, 23, was serving a 12-month suspended sentence for aggravated vehicle taking, driving dangerously and driving while disqualified after being convicted in September last year.
The case appeared at Kingston Crown Court last week for the order to be revoked but bizarrely had to be adjourned for two weeks because the probation service could not prove that Mikey was dead.
During the short hearing on Friday, Her Honour Judge Barnes tersely asked the probation officer in court why no death certificate had been filed, despite it being four months since Mikey's death was front page news.
Judge Barnes added that all that was required was a short visit to the records section at Kingston Register Office.
The probation officer told the judge that she would look into it and the case was adjourned until November 9.
Mikey, whose family live in Aldrich Crescent, New Addington, was killed in The Works nightclub on June 23. Police were called to the nightclub at 2am and Mikey was taken by ambulance to Kingston hospital, where he died shortly after arrival. Mikey, who was due to become a father, clashed with another man in the Boiler Bar area of the club.
His girlfriend Marcie gave birth to a baby boy Romarni within weeks of his death.
It is understood Mikey chose the name for his son before he was killed.
Shaun Greenidge, 19, of Hilary Avenue, Mitcham, was arrested in September and charged with Mikey's murder.
During a short hearing at the Old Bailey, he pleaded not guilty and was remanded in custody.
His two week trial is expected to take place on either April 21 or April 28 next year.
5:22pm Monday 29th October 2007
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CommentPosted by: MBBS, Sutton on 10:42pm Mon 29 Oct 07
Why do you need a death certificate if you know the man is dead? Unless you believe the newspaper is a fabrication what a waste of public tax payer’s money – idiot judge what is the world coming to these days.
As for the car offences don’t really see the relevance of that to his murder with a knife – unrelated matter – rather nasty to demonise the father in this way and his young son
Why do you need a death certificate if you know the man is dead? Unless you believe the newspaper is a fabrication what a waste of public tax payer’s money – idiot judge what is the world coming to these days.
As for the car offences don’t really see the relevance of that to his murder with a knife – unrelated matter – rather nasty to demonise the father in this way and his young son
Posted by: Roberta, Croydon on 9:07am Tue 30 Oct 07
My sympathy for the man who died has now gone.
One less criminal on our streets.
My sympathy for the man who died has now gone.
One less criminal on our streets.
Posted by: Frank, south croydon on 9:09am Tue 30 Oct 07
One less criminal off the streets, sorted. Its very rare that people get killed for no reason. I understand it is distressing and unforgivable when it does but the fact is a mojority of murders in Croydon seem to be gang related and involve low life scum.
One less criminal off the streets, sorted. Its very rare that people get killed for no reason. I understand it is distressing and unforgivable when it does but the fact is a mojority of murders in Croydon seem to be gang related and involve low life scum.
Posted by: Dorothy - aged 76, Waddon on 9:13am Tue 30 Oct 07
Now that is a surprise!!...someone from New Addington involved in aggravated vehicle taking, dangerous driving and disqualified driving!! Who would have thought it!!! I agree with Roberta.. One less person on the street who might steal your car!!
Now that is a surprise!!...someone from New Addington involved in aggravated vehicle taking, dangerous driving and disqualified driving!! Who would have thought it!!! I agree with Roberta.. One less person on the street who might steal your car!!
Posted by: Liv, surrey on 9:43am Tue 30 Oct 07
I cant believe how cold people are being. I woudlnt particularly wish someone who had stolen my car dead! for heavens sake
I cant believe how cold people are being. I woudlnt particularly wish someone who had stolen my car dead! for heavens sake
Posted by: helen, new addington on 9:58am Tue 30 Oct 07
so dorothy,waddon has a zero car crime rate does it? no thought not.[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic] [italic]italic[/italic] [quote]quote[/quote]
so dorothy,waddon has a zero car crime rate does it? no thought not.
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Posted by: MJ, Kingston on 10:10am Tue 30 Oct 07
People make me sick - this boy is dead. Have some respect for the family and his child.
I don't think a stolen car is equal to a mans life do you?
So if you ever ran through a red light, then the next week you were murdered, we could all say 'oh thank god for that the streets are a safer place!?'
Exactly - i don't think so!
RIP Mikey
People make me sick - this boy is dead. Have some respect for the family and his child.
I don't think a stolen car is equal to a mans life do you?
So if you ever ran through a red light, then the next week you were murdered, we could all say 'oh thank god for that the streets are a safer place!?'
Exactly - i don't think so!
RIP Mikey
Posted by: Frank, South Croydon on 10:43am Tue 30 Oct 07
The [bold]irony[/bold] of this, if had been given a [bold]custodial sentence[/bold] like he should of been and not a [bold]suspended sentence[/bold] for stealing cars and driving dangerously he would still be alive.
What an hilarious twist of fate and for once our country’s failure to sentence criminals correctly has given us a decent result
The
irony of this, if had been given a
custodial sentence like he should of been and not a
suspended sentence for stealing cars and driving dangerously he would still be alive.
What an hilarious twist of fate and for once our country’s failure to sentence criminals correctly has given us a decent result
Posted by: Danny, Streatham on 10:43am Tue 30 Oct 07
I agree with Franks comments. It is rare people get attacked/killed for no reason, these bar shootings and stabbings that seem to happen every night are obviously ongoing fueds or gang related.
Its about time all these young lads grew up and started actually contributing something to society.
Although saying that, perhaps these thugs gradually killing each other off is their method of contribution.
I agree with Franks comments. It is rare people get attacked/killed for no reason, these bar shootings and stabbings that seem to happen every night are obviously ongoing fueds or gang related.
Its about time all these young lads grew up and started actually contributing something to society.
Although saying that, perhaps these thugs gradually killing each other off is their method of contribution.
Posted by: Frank, South Croydon on 10:45am Tue 30 Oct 07
[bold]He's even making a gun hand gesture in his photo, ****[/bold]
He's even making a gun hand gesture in his photo, **** Posted by: MJ, London on 10:47am Tue 30 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Liv[/bold] wrote:
I cant believe how cold people are being. I woudlnt particularly wish someone who had stolen my car dead! for heavens sake[/quote] Liv, the world has gone mad.. I agree with you 100%
Also, MBBS:
"As for the car offences don’t really see the relevance of that to his murder with a knife – unrelated matter – rather nasty to demonise the father in this way and his young son"..
I too, am not quite sure the reasoning for releasing these details..
Liv wrote:
I cant believe how cold people are being. I woudlnt particularly wish someone who had stolen my car dead! for heavens sake
Liv, the world has gone mad.. I agree with you 100%
Also, MBBS:
"As for the car offences don’t really see the relevance of that to his murder with a knife – unrelated matter – rather nasty to demonise the father in this way and his young son"..
I too, am not quite sure the reasoning for releasing these details..
Posted by: DD, Croydon on 10:53am Tue 30 Oct 07
Aggravated vehecle taking and dangerous driving taking were committed at the same time. However, he was driving on a ban, so what were the other offences that led him being banned before this crime. These are only the offences we know about - he may have even more form. It's totally relevant to the murder because it shows that he was a persistant offender and therefore is more likely to get into trouble in other areas of his life That's not to say the killer is any better, just that the more you roll in mud, the dirtier you get. as for the comment about running a red light by mj, He didn't just run a red light, He was done for dangerous driving when on a ban,and if you think that's not too bad, then Cast your mand back a few weeksand spare a thought for the family of the elderly couple from Croydon who were hit head on by stolen car on the M4. Stolen cars DO OFTEN equal a mans life ,but all too often, it's the wrong mans life
Aggravated vehecle taking and dangerous driving taking were committed at the same time. However, he was driving on a ban, so what were the other offences that led him being banned before this crime. These are only the offences we know about - he may have even more form. It's totally relevant to the murder because it shows that he was a persistant offender and therefore is more likely to get into trouble in other areas of his life That's not to say the killer is any better, just that the more you roll in mud, the dirtier you get. as for the comment about running a red light by mj, He didn't just run a red light, He was done for dangerous driving when on a ban,and if you think that's not too bad, then Cast your mand back a few weeksand spare a thought for the family of the elderly couple from Croydon who were hit head on by stolen car on the M4. Stolen cars DO OFTEN equal a mans life ,but all too often, it's the wrong mans life
Posted by: John Samuels, woodside on 11:37am Tue 30 Oct 07
No doubt the family will @ some point blame the government. stating had it not been for their early release scheme he would still be inside and alive to see his son. i am sorry that a child will grown up not knowing his son but Frankly as far as i see it, its one less criminal on the streets. i am sure some of you would be singing a different tune had if it was the other way around!?!?
No doubt the family will @ some point blame the government. stating had it not been for their early release scheme he would still be inside and alive to see his son. i am sorry that a child will grown up not knowing his son but Frankly as far as i see it, its one less criminal on the streets. i am sure some of you would be singing a different tune had if it was the other way around!?!?
Posted by: Alaina, Croydon on 11:53am Tue 30 Oct 07
If you look at the charges its not the case of just car theft.. its agravated..
Also his child was due in a few weeks and he was in a nightclub at 2am getting involved in a fight. Along with this he was on bail for a violent crime. What more do you need to know what kind of man he was.
If you look at the charges its not the case of just car theft.. its agravated..
Also his child was due in a few weeks and he was in a nightclub at 2am getting involved in a fight. Along with this he was on bail for a violent crime. What more do you need to know what kind of man he was.
Posted by: Dorothy - aged 76, Waddon on 12:08pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Frank - a great observation!!.... probably not the best photo for the family to release to the press "Look at our law abiding son!! He's pretending to be holding a gun!! Pop Pop!!"
Frank - a great observation!!.... probably not the best photo for the family to release to the press "Look at our law abiding son!! He's pretending to be holding a gun!! Pop Pop!!"
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 12:11pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed!
The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it!
Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered!
And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with!
Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed!
The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it!
Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered!
And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with!
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 12:20pm Tue 30 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Dorothy - aged 76[/bold] wrote:
Frank - a great observation!!.... probably not the best photo for the family to release to the press "Look at our law abiding son!! He's pretending to be holding a gun!! Pop Pop!!"[/quote] Hmmmm, I dont mean to be disrespectful but your age says it all! I will say again, he is not making a gun gesture! Its an old skool garage move, nothing to do with guns! Hes got both hands up! I guarantee he was listening to a tune when this photo was taken. I wish people would not comment on things they know thing about!
But no doubt people will start moaning about music people listen to and dance moves etc etc bla bla bla!
Dorothy - aged 76 wrote:
Frank - a great observation!!.... probably not the best photo for the family to release to the press "Look at our law abiding son!! He's pretending to be holding a gun!! Pop Pop!!"
Hmmmm, I dont mean to be disrespectful but your age says it all! I will say again, he is not making a gun gesture! Its an old skool garage move, nothing to do with guns! Hes got both hands up! I guarantee he was listening to a tune when this photo was taken. I wish people would not comment on things they know thing about!
But no doubt people will start moaning about music people listen to and dance moves etc etc bla bla bla!
Posted by: Alaina, Croydon on 12:33pm Tue 30 Oct 07
No I dont think when having a child your life should be put on hold but if I was a convcited criminal and I had a child due in a few weeks yes I would keep away from nightclubs and be at home with my partner.
To be honest I dont care what his family think if they read these comments much like he didnt care about his victims when he committed his crimes.
Its sad but the law abiding citizens of Croydon/London/Engla
nd etc are so fed up with gangsters, criminals etc that we do feel the way a number have commented above. Why should I care about a criminal or his family
No I dont think when having a child your life should be put on hold but if I was a convcited criminal and I had a child due in a few weeks yes I would keep away from nightclubs and be at home with my partner.
To be honest I dont care what his family think if they read these comments much like he didnt care about his victims when he committed his crimes.
Its sad but the law abiding citizens of Croydon/London/Engla
nd etc are so fed up with gangsters, criminals etc that we do feel the way a number have commented above. Why should I care about a criminal or his family
Posted by: John Samuels, wooodside on 12:39pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Lisa you miss guided woman do u know what aggravated means? it means he attacked them, used a weapon or worse still a firearm. for all know the victim could be and is more than likely scared for life! Yes i am up for giving people a second chance but whilst we are at it why don't we give Fred West another chance i mean he was only caught once so it he still has one more chance left surely another chance!!!!
Lisa you miss guided woman do u know what aggravated means? it means he attacked them, used a weapon or worse still a firearm. for all know the victim could be and is more than likely scared for life! Yes i am up for giving people a second chance but whilst we are at it why don't we give Fred West another chance i mean he was only caught once so it he still has one more chance left surely another chance!!!!
Posted by: P on 1:23pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Lisa - are you be serious?! He wasnt a murderer or rapist, so what?! you are joking right?! So if he attacked your mum or family member and stole their car you would still feel the same way?! Or worse the way he drove could of killed someone and if that someone was a person related to you are you telling me your oppinions wouldnt change?!
Lisa - are you be serious?! He wasnt a murderer or rapist, so what?! you are joking right?! So if he attacked your mum or family member and stole their car you would still feel the same way?! Or worse the way he drove could of killed someone and if that someone was a person related to you are you telling me your oppinions wouldnt change?!
Posted by: DD, Croydon on 1:26pm Tue 30 Oct 07
He had a chance to change when he first got banned and chose to waste it be stealing a car and driving dangerously. As for Lisa's comment "not murdering or raping somebody , he stole a car or a few. sorry but so what". Lets hope when you or your child is crossing the road and a stolen car mows you down on a zebra crossing doing 60mph leaving you crippled or dead that you dont suddenly have a change of heart about how "irrelevent" it is. As for your social life ending when you have children, YES most of it does.Having your first child is expensive, and yet with weeks to go ,he's out clubbing.Must have made a lot of money stealing cars because when my child came along I was was working night and day to make sure we had everything in place, and its been like that ever since, as most straight hardworking people will tell you.
He had a chance to change when he first got banned and chose to waste it be stealing a car and driving dangerously. As for Lisa's comment "not murdering or raping somebody , he stole a car or a few. sorry but so what". Lets hope when you or your child is crossing the road and a stolen car mows you down on a zebra crossing doing 60mph leaving you crippled or dead that you dont suddenly have a change of heart about how "irrelevent" it is. As for your social life ending when you have children, YES most of it does.Having your first child is expensive, and yet with weeks to go ,he's out clubbing.Must have made a lot of money stealing cars because when my child came along I was was working night and day to make sure we had everything in place, and its been like that ever since, as most straight hardworking people will tell you.
Posted by: P on 1:27pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Dont get me wrong coz no one deserves to have their life taken away but karma is a biatch and what goes around comes around and Im sure that applies for the guy who killed him too.
Dont get me wrong coz no one deserves to have their life taken away but karma is a biatch and what goes around comes around and Im sure that applies for the guy who killed him too.
Posted by: Rob, London on 2:21pm Tue 30 Oct 07
It's sad when anyone dies, no matter who they are. He was a convicted criminal who may have gone on to do even worse things or he may have grown up and become a decent member of society, we'll never know.
Glorying in another human beings death is never a good thing.
It's sad when anyone dies, no matter who they are. He was a convicted criminal who may have gone on to do even worse things or he may have grown up and become a decent member of society, we'll never know.
Glorying in another human beings death is never a good thing.
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 2:32pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Well he never crippled or killed anyone so that is irrelevant. Noone actually has details of the crimes he committed!
I just think its disrespectful because regardless of what he did, he has a family who had feelings and he certainly didnt deserve to die when there are worse crimes committed out there, much worse!
There is more to a story than what u read in the news, so u are all very naive.
I remember he had tons of comments when he passed, and all were ones about how good a character he was.
People sit there on their high horse thinking they are such good law abiding citizens, its pathetic! Some people in this country are the lowest of the low and this is my opinion from comments I read from this website to others.Sitting there making comments as if butter wouldnt melt!
Ive not been a law abiding citizen all my life. Ive shoplifted when I was young, smoke weed, stole in the past but I bet Im a much nicer person than most of u commenting! Just because I did those things and may smoke now, does it mean I should die by the same fate? Hardly! As I said, people make mistakes and people deserve a second chance but u all talk as if u are all perfect.
There are worse things going on in the world. And u will burn in hell for ur comments if that is how u think about people, that they deserve to die over such things!
And I hardly think going out a few weeks before his girlfriend gives birth, makes him a bad person. Its pathetic to even try and use that in an argument!
Well he never crippled or killed anyone so that is irrelevant. Noone actually has details of the crimes he committed!
I just think its disrespectful because regardless of what he did, he has a family who had feelings and he certainly didnt deserve to die when there are worse crimes committed out there, much worse!
There is more to a story than what u read in the news, so u are all very naive.
I remember he had tons of comments when he passed, and all were ones about how good a character he was.
People sit there on their high horse thinking they are such good law abiding citizens, its pathetic! Some people in this country are the lowest of the low and this is my opinion from comments I read from this website to others.Sitting there making comments as if butter wouldnt melt!
Ive not been a law abiding citizen all my life. Ive shoplifted when I was young, smoke weed, stole in the past but I bet Im a much nicer person than most of u commenting! Just because I did those things and may smoke now, does it mean I should die by the same fate? Hardly! As I said, people make mistakes and people deserve a second chance but u all talk as if u are all perfect.
There are worse things going on in the world. And u will burn in hell for ur comments if that is how u think about people, that they deserve to die over such things!
And I hardly think going out a few weeks before his girlfriend gives birth, makes him a bad person. Its pathetic to even try and use that in an argument!
Posted by: Roberta, Croydon on 3:03pm Tue 30 Oct 07
I knew it wouldnt take someone long to start mentioning racism - I wouldnt care if this person was black, green, brown or white - I am fed up with people breaking the law and getting away with it whilst us law abiding people work very hard to see the goods we pay for out of our money taken by criminals - I have been mugged twice and not only lost things which can never be replaced it has made me very nervous about being on my own in Croydon at nightime - why should my life be affected by scum.
This was not someone walking up and taking a car - it was aggravated - lets think more about the person who the car was taken from and not the scum who did it.
Ok I have seen these comments on here about various cases and yes they have tended to be about black men - why is that is it because of racism - no its not its because a large number of recent cases has involved black young men. Rather than talk of racism the black community should be working together to ensure that teenagers are stopped from entering a life of gangs and crime. I keep hearing about a lack of decent male roles i.e fathers.
As for those who think it is acceptable for a father to be in a club till early hours only a few weeks before the birth of his first child surely they cant belive this is acceptable is that really a role model.
I knew it wouldnt take someone long to start mentioning racism - I wouldnt care if this person was black, green, brown or white - I am fed up with people breaking the law and getting away with it whilst us law abiding people work very hard to see the goods we pay for out of our money taken by criminals - I have been mugged twice and not only lost things which can never be replaced it has made me very nervous about being on my own in Croydon at nightime - why should my life be affected by scum.
This was not someone walking up and taking a car - it was aggravated - lets think more about the person who the car was taken from and not the scum who did it.
Ok I have seen these comments on here about various cases and yes they have tended to be about black men - why is that is it because of racism - no its not its because a large number of recent cases has involved black young men. Rather than talk of racism the black community should be working together to ensure that teenagers are stopped from entering a life of gangs and crime. I keep hearing about a lack of decent male roles i.e fathers.
As for those who think it is acceptable for a father to be in a club till early hours only a few weeks before the birth of his first child surely they cant belive this is acceptable is that really a role model.
Posted by: Alaina, Croydon on 3:20pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Lisa so you have shop lifted and stolen - ok so we do make mistakes and maybe yes you deserve to be forgiven.
But you smoke so I imagine you mean grass/cannabis: You are one of the reasons why there are so many guns and knives on the street as gangs fight over their territory - black gangs who are willing to fight and kill each other because of the money they make from selling drugs.
Lisa so you have shop lifted and stolen - ok so we do make mistakes and maybe yes you deserve to be forgiven.
But you smoke so I imagine you mean grass/cannabis: You are one of the reasons why there are so many guns and knives on the street as gangs fight over their territory - black gangs who are willing to fight and kill each other because of the money they make from selling drugs.
Posted by: Big Al, Croydon on 3:21pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Regardless of him being convicted of stealing cars, he was a human being! I have been in prison myself for something i look back on as disgraceful, but do i deserve to die??
He got caught stealing cars, so what, ok its not right but thats what he done, you cant change the past but you can make your future what you want and his Son was his future!!!
Regardless of him being convicted of stealing cars, he was a human being! I have been in prison myself for something i look back on as disgraceful, but do i deserve to die??
He got caught stealing cars, so what, ok its not right but thats what he done, you cant change the past but you can make your future what you want and his Son was his future!!!
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 3:24pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Well, the word racism has not come out of my mouth and in fact I wasnt the one who mentioned colour first.
I am baffled as to why it is a problem for him to go out for the night a few weeks before she gives birth? How does that make him a bad role model? What would he need to be doing then? Should all men be condemned to the house waiting for their partner's waters to break? As I said before, that argument is ridiculous! You make it sound as if going to a nightclub is such a terrible thing!
Well, the word racism has not come out of my mouth and in fact I wasnt the one who mentioned colour first.
I am baffled as to why it is a problem for him to go out for the night a few weeks before she gives birth? How does that make him a bad role model? What would he need to be doing then? Should all men be condemned to the house waiting for their partner's waters to break? As I said before, that argument is ridiculous! You make it sound as if going to a nightclub is such a terrible thing!
Posted by: Jock, London on 4:13pm Tue 30 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Lisa[/bold] wrote:
Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed! The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it! Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered! And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with![/quote] You should be laughing at your own comment then, Lisa.
And the way you callously disregard dangerous driving, and the other convictions, tells us a lot about you. I suspect you've had a contempt for the laws of the land?
Yes, I've made mistakes in life, but they never involved criminality. Mikey's did...Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.
Lisa wrote:
Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed! The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it! Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered! And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with!
You should be laughing at your own comment then, Lisa.
And the way you callously disregard dangerous driving, and the other convictions, tells us a lot about you. I suspect you've had a contempt for the laws of the land?
Yes, I've made mistakes in life, but they never involved criminality. Mikey's did...Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 4:38pm Tue 30 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Jock[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lisa[/bold] wrote: Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed! The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it! Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered! And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with![/quote] You should be laughing at your own comment then, Lisa. And the way you callously disregard dangerous driving, and the other convictions, tells us a lot about you. I suspect you've had a contempt for the laws of the land? Yes, I've made mistakes in life, but they never involved criminality. Mikey's did...Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.[/quote] I dont find it funny, funny enough....
Callous? Hardly! More like, I dont know the full picture so will not jump to conclusions and say the man deserved to die.
As for dangerous driving, depends on the reason really. I know someone who was done for the same thing reason being, they were changing a cd in the car. Dangerous if you arent properly looking at the road yes, worthy of death? NO!
As for the other conviction, as I said we all make mistakes. Nice to hear you arent a criminal! Ive done minor illegal things myself. It doesnt make me a bad person and certainly doesnt warrant me to be stabbed to death!
Jock wrote:
Lisa wrote: Oh Right Alaina, so when u are having a child, your social life must end? So are u saying you are not allowed to go out and socialise at all? As for getting into fights, Im sure he didnt specifically go there to get into a fight and be killed! The convictions against him are so irrelevant. He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what? Noone here knows the full picture of what he did and what those convictions involved so who are u all to judge him? I find it unbeleivable that people have no compassion! He was a young man and certainly didnt deserve to die because of what he did in the past! Have u never heard of giving people a second chance and people growing up and realising their mistakes? Everyone condemning him, I would bet my right arm that not all of you have made some mistake in their life and regretted it! Have some respect for his family who have to read this! I dont even know the man and I am angered! And to Frank, u old g#t, he isnt making a gun gesture, its actually a dance move and hes posing for the camera! haha its laughable the cr#p people come out with!
You should be laughing at your own comment then, Lisa. And the way you callously disregard dangerous driving, and the other convictions, tells us a lot about you. I suspect you've had a contempt for the laws of the land? Yes, I've made mistakes in life, but they never involved criminality. Mikey's did...Put that in your pipe, and smoke it.
I dont find it funny, funny enough....
Callous? Hardly! More like, I dont know the full picture so will not jump to conclusions and say the man deserved to die.
As for dangerous driving, depends on the reason really. I know someone who was done for the same thing reason being, they were changing a cd in the car. Dangerous if you arent properly looking at the road yes, worthy of death? NO!
As for the other conviction, as I said we all make mistakes. Nice to hear you arent a criminal! Ive done minor illegal things myself. It doesnt make me a bad person and certainly doesnt warrant me to be stabbed to death!
Posted by: Croyboy on 5:15pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Reading this story, and regarding the easy-to-see future of this wretched character's child (children?), it's perhaps about time we considered automatic castration for low-lifes before they start breeding and thereby causing society even more misery - not to mention costing taxpayers money - far into the future. The incidental benefit would also be a calming effect, so I believe.
Reading this story, and regarding the easy-to-see future of this wretched character's child (children?), it's perhaps about time we considered automatic castration for low-lifes before they start breeding and thereby causing society even more misery - not to mention costing taxpayers money - far into the future. The incidental benefit would also be a calming effect, so I believe.
Posted by: tasha, croydon on 6:41pm Tue 30 Oct 07
I have just read through the comments on this page and cannot see how any of you are in a position to judge this young person or the events surrounding his life/death. In my opinion for you all to be able to make such judgements surrounding him and involve his grilfriend and baby i feel that you are are all contributors to the problems in society today. The criminal activites that he was involved were not ok and certainly not acceptable but that does not mean that he deserved to die. As for judging him for being out in a club before his baby died well whos to know that he wasn't craaming a night out before the toll of fatherhood decended upon him? No one will ever know the extent of what he did and did not do but talking about him in this way will not right the wrongs in society, he was one of many and untill people start looking into ways to help young people then things will never change. So considering all the time you have to disrespect the dead why dont you debate on that. "if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem"
I have just read through the comments on this page and cannot see how any of you are in a position to judge this young person or the events surrounding his life/death. In my opinion for you all to be able to make such judgements surrounding him and involve his grilfriend and baby i feel that you are are all contributors to the problems in society today. The criminal activites that he was involved were not ok and certainly not acceptable but that does not mean that he deserved to die. As for judging him for being out in a club before his baby died well whos to know that he wasn't craaming a night out before the toll of fatherhood decended upon him? No one will ever know the extent of what he did and did not do but talking about him in this way will not right the wrongs in society, he was one of many and untill people start looking into ways to help young people then things will never change. So considering all the time you have to disrespect the dead why dont you debate on that. "if your not part of the solution then your part of the problem"
Posted by: tasha, croydon on 6:46pm Tue 30 Oct 07
Sorry for the error
'As for judging him for being out in a club before his baby died well whos to know that he wasn't craaming a night out before the toll of fatherhood decended upon him?' Meant before his baby was born all the talk of death obviously too much.
Apologies.
Sorry for the error
'As for judging him for being out in a club before his baby died well whos to know that he wasn't craaming a night out before the toll of fatherhood decended upon him?' Meant before his baby was born all the talk of death obviously too much.
Apologies.
Posted by: Stefan, Southwark on 6:23am Wed 31 Oct 07
Perhaps part of the problem is that some people (i.e Alaina, Croydon) thinks that beeing at a nightclub at 2am is the problem...
Perhaps part of the problem is that some people (i.e Alaina, Croydon) thinks that beeing at a nightclub at 2am is the problem...
Posted by: Dorothy - aged 76, Waddon on 9:54am Wed 31 Oct 07
Let's sum up with the facts - He [bold]was[/bold] a criminal. He is [bold]no longer[/bold] on this planet. I have [bold]never[/bold] been involved in crime in the 76 years that I have been alive. I [bold]do not[/bold] expect to be walking down the street with my shopping and be picked at random as the victim of a murder. I think it’s fairly safe to say that those that mix in the life of crime should expect everything that comes their way!!!
Let's sum up with the facts - He
was a criminal. He is
no longer on this planet. I have
never been involved in crime in the 76 years that I have been alive. I
do not expect to be walking down the street with my shopping and be picked at random as the victim of a murder. I think it’s fairly safe to say that those that mix in the life of crime should expect everything that comes their way!!!
Posted by: Liv, surrey on 10:30am Wed 31 Oct 07
I honestly dont think this information shoudl have been released, all is has done has started this debate when some poor guy is dead! Of course I feel for people who have eben victims of crime like car theft etc, its never nice, but I feel a hell of a lot more sorry for Mikey! He was being given a chance to turn things around by being given a suspended sentence. He didnt get a chance to prove whether it was working!(the suspended sentence that is)Thanks MJ for backing me up
I honestly dont think this information shoudl have been released, all is has done has started this debate when some poor guy is dead! Of course I feel for people who have eben victims of crime like car theft etc, its never nice, but I feel a hell of a lot more sorry for Mikey! He was being given a chance to turn things around by being given a suspended sentence. He didnt get a chance to prove whether it was working!(the suspended sentence that is)Thanks MJ for backing me up
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 10:31am Wed 31 Oct 07
I am not argumentative, I just happen to have a different opinion to u, so what? Why dont u reveal urself u moron rather than claiming to be me!
As it goes, I am very attractive and have sex almost every day with my boyfriend, in fact I had some this morning! U on the other hand, probably cant even get it up! haha and Im sure u would fancy me too!
Hmmm personal insults, sounds to me like you cant give a decent constructive argument!
This isnt that moron 'Lord Lucan' again is it?
I am not argumentative, I just happen to have a different opinion to u, so what? Why dont u reveal urself u moron rather than claiming to be me!
As it goes, I am very attractive and have sex almost every day with my boyfriend, in fact I had some this morning! U on the other hand, probably cant even get it up! haha and Im sure u would fancy me too!
Hmmm personal insults, sounds to me like you cant give a decent constructive argument!
This isnt that moron 'Lord Lucan' again is it?
Posted by: RT on 10:50am Wed 31 Oct 07
Why are so many people defending this useless, benefit scrounging oxygen thief? Have they not heard the expression 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword'? Scum like him should be sterilised at birth to prevent them from procreating.
Why are so many people defending this useless, benefit scrounging oxygen thief? Have they not heard the expression 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword'? Scum like him should be sterilised at birth to prevent them from procreating.
Posted by: London, LONDON on 9:19am Fri 2 Nov 07
This should never have been released - it is not public interest?
They were obviously desperate for a story.
They must have known it would have this affect, and now they have just put his family through more unnecessary torment!
STAB VICTIM IS CAR THEIF - are they trying to say don't cry for him he was scum?
Disgusting - this writer should be ashamed she has sunk so low!
This should never have been released - it is not public interest?
They were obviously desperate for a story.
They must have known it would have this affect, and now they have just put his family through more unnecessary torment!
STAB VICTIM IS CAR THEIF - are they trying to say don't cry for him he was scum?
Disgusting - this writer should be ashamed she has sunk so low!
Posted by: Maria, epsom on 4:01pm Fri 2 Nov 07
To Dorothy & Frank how stupid can u be. mikey is not making gun poses with his hands its more like "hey Look at me hand gestures, look closer" !!! for the paper to print this story was so uncalled for. mikey was not scum, but he wasnt angel either but for people to come on here calling him scum and glad hes dead is not right. we all know some1 like him and just think for a moment what your saying mikey was some1s son. he was to become a father. every1 deserves a second chance and you people need to realise a life is more important than a tin car, its just material it can be made againe. mikey cant be made againe hes gone forever. and if anys scum its the BOY that killed mikey!!!
To Dorothy & Frank how stupid can u be. mikey is not making gun poses with his hands its more like "hey Look at me hand gestures, look closer" !!! for the paper to print this story was so uncalled for. mikey was not scum, but he wasnt angel either but for people to come on here calling him scum and glad hes dead is not right. we all know some1 like him and just think for a moment what your saying mikey was some1s son. he was to become a father. every1 deserves a second chance and you people need to realise a life is more important than a tin car, its just material it can be made againe. mikey cant be made againe hes gone forever. and if anys scum its the BOY that killed mikey!!!
Posted by: Maria, epsom on 4:47pm Fri 2 Nov 07
Lisa- well done everything ur saying is so good and true, did you know mikey?. when you get into a fight today you know some1 will die, a fight years ago was 1 on 1 and with your hands not a waepon! i knew mikey well and he had got a job as a labourer so he wasnt on benefits so who ever wrote that is wrong. i mean people who are saying nasty things on here saying he was a criminal full stop, listen to yourselfs. at least he wasnt a suicide bomber, murderer, or pedo messing with little kids, raping people, he was innocent whilst on SSentance trying to make a life for him, Marcie and his baby. [bold]bold[/bold]
Lisa- well done everything ur saying is so good and true, did you know mikey?. when you get into a fight today you know some1 will die, a fight years ago was 1 on 1 and with your hands not a waepon! i knew mikey well and he had got a job as a labourer so he wasnt on benefits so who ever wrote that is wrong. i mean people who are saying nasty things on here saying he was a criminal full stop, listen to yourselfs. at least he wasnt a suicide bomber, murderer, or pedo messing with little kids, raping people, he was innocent whilst on SSentance trying to make a life for him, Marcie and his baby.
Posted by: Kay G, SW London on 10:18pm Fri 2 Nov 07
Condolences to his family and the child whom will grow up without a father.
I am just hoping that this will deter a few if not many young men [italic]and[/italic] women away from knives, guns and violence because the end result is always the same - death. Let there be some good from this.
To bring up criminal convictions now is no more than spitting on his grave and I feel is totally irrevelent in regards to his demise.
The other tragedy from this story is the realisation that society is breaking down and we are getting a generation of people with no respect for themselves or others or the rules in which keep everything in order and controlled - civil liberties are being eroded.
Comments like -
'He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what?' is giving an impression that some crimes are not bad as another - a crime is a crime and the common denomiator is that there is always a victim.
Peace.
p.s You is the correct spelling [italic]not[/italic] U!!
Condolences to his family and the child whom will grow up without a father.
I am just hoping that this will deter a few if not many young men
and women away from knives, guns and violence because the end result is always the same - death. Let there be some good from this.
To bring up criminal convictions now is no more than spitting on his grave and I feel is totally irrevelent in regards to his demise.
The other tragedy from this story is the realisation that society is breaking down and we are getting a generation of people with no respect for themselves or others or the rules in which keep everything in order and controlled - civil liberties are being eroded.
Comments like -
'He wasnt a murderer or a rapist! So he stole a car or a few, and drove dangerously, sorry but so what?' is giving an impression that some crimes are not bad as another - a crime is a crime and the common denomiator is that there is always a victim.
Peace.
p.s You is the correct spelling
not U!!
Posted by: marcie on 3:26pm Sat 3 Nov 07
dont watch wot people r saying babe,i kno wot ur really about,u wernt scum!! sum people were trying 2say u wer scum on here and bringing romarni into it but dont worry coz i rang the paper and went mad and they took all the comments off.i stuck up 4u babe and i always will.me and romarni love u so much honey and i would give anyfing 2bring u back.keep smiling 4us bubbs xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx R.I.P MIKEY CARLOS BROWN xxx the best boyfriend and babysdad i cud of ever wished 4 **** ****
dont watch wot people r saying babe,i kno wot ur really about,u wernt scum!! sum people were trying 2say u wer scum on here and bringing romarni into it but dont worry coz i rang the paper and went mad and they took all the comments off.i stuck up 4u babe and i always will.me and romarni love u so much honey and i would give anyfing 2bring u back.keep smiling 4us bubbs xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx R.I.P MIKEY CARLOS BROWN xxx the best boyfriend and babysdad i cud of ever wished 4 **** ****
Posted by: justin, croydon on 12:03pm Sun 4 Nov 07
Enough said people, a young man is dead whatever he did or didnt do does not matter he is dead, his partner is suffering and his child is fatherless because of mindless violence, slagging him off will change nothing, and the people that have posted comments on here should come down from the moral high ground, no one is perfect not you or me.
Enough said people, a young man is dead whatever he did or didnt do does not matter he is dead, his partner is suffering and his child is fatherless because of mindless violence, slagging him off will change nothing, and the people that have posted comments on here should come down from the moral high ground, no one is perfect not you or me.
Posted by: mary, croydon on 8:53pm Mon 5 Nov 07
i dont know this guy but how dare these people judge him and his family all i can say is heaven forbid the day comes when this happens to there husband boyfriend brother son!!!!
my heart goes out to the family ive been there.
i dont know this guy but how dare these people judge him and his family all i can say is heaven forbid the day comes when this happens to there husband boyfriend brother son!!!!
my heart goes out to the family ive been there.
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 6:18pm Tue 6 Nov 07
[quote][bold]Alaina[/bold] wrote:
Lisa so you have shop lifted and stolen - ok so we do make mistakes and maybe yes you deserve to be forgiven. But you smoke so I imagine you mean grass/cannabis: You are one of the reasons why there are so many guns and knives on the street as gangs fight over their territory - black gangs who are willing to fight and kill each other because of the money they make from selling drugs.[/quote] Yes I do mean cannabis and no I do not solely take blame for what is going on in the world. Yes maybe I do lay a small part in it, but so do alot of people from what to do to the attitudes and sterotypes that they have towards people.
Besides, FACT, dealers do not go around carrying guns etc because of cannabis. Any dealer carrying them things are dealing in bigger things and who is to blame for this huh?? Because all I see and hear about are the rich white people taking cocaine and the poor and rich white people taking Heroin so whose to blame then huh? It goes hand in hand luv!
Anyway back to the matter in hand, Im glad to see more respectful comments on here now.
No I didnt know Mikey but was disgusted by some of the things I read and had to speak up for him!
Alaina wrote:
Lisa so you have shop lifted and stolen - ok so we do make mistakes and maybe yes you deserve to be forgiven. But you smoke so I imagine you mean grass/cannabis: You are one of the reasons why there are so many guns and knives on the street as gangs fight over their territory - black gangs who are willing to fight and kill each other because of the money they make from selling drugs.
Yes I do mean cannabis and no I do not solely take blame for what is going on in the world. Yes maybe I do lay a small part in it, but so do alot of people from what to do to the attitudes and sterotypes that they have towards people.
Besides, FACT, dealers do not go around carrying guns etc because of cannabis. Any dealer carrying them things are dealing in bigger things and who is to blame for this huh?? Because all I see and hear about are the rich white people taking cocaine and the poor and rich white people taking Heroin so whose to blame then huh? It goes hand in hand luv!
Anyway back to the matter in hand, Im glad to see more respectful comments on here now.
No I didnt know Mikey but was disgusted by some of the things I read and had to speak up for him!
Posted by: sarah, Wimbledon on 5:41pm Wed 7 Nov 07
Please look at all the comments on this Guardian website - Lisa has commented on many stories & every comment on every story is rascist & missguided.
For pity's sake Lisa - [bold]Give it a rest![/bold]
Please look at all the comments on this Guardian website - Lisa has commented on many stories & every comment on every story is rascist & missguided.
For pity's sake Lisa -
Give it a rest! Posted by: London, London on 1:59pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[quote]Because all I see and hear about are the rich white people taking cocaine and the poor and rich white people taking Heroin so whose to blame then huh?[/quote]
Lisa - you talk so much of people mentioning colour and how every one is so racist and they all have prejudice views against black people. It seems in this quote you are the racist and you are the main person talking about colour in these quotes?
You are the one who always brings it back to race!
I understand you wanted to stand up for Mikey, so do i and i have done in previous comments as i agree some comments made on here were sickening, made by people who are bored in their own lives so judge others. But you making statemnets like this does not help your cause as it seems you cannot see past black and white?
Because all I see and hear about are the rich white people taking cocaine and the poor and rich white people taking Heroin so whose to blame then huh?
Lisa - you talk so much of people mentioning colour and how every one is so racist and they all have prejudice views against black people. It seems in this quote you are the racist and you are the main person talking about colour in these quotes?
You are the one who always brings it back to race!
I understand you wanted to stand up for Mikey, so do i and i have done in previous comments as i agree some comments made on here were sickening, made by people who are bored in their own lives so judge others. But you making statemnets like this does not help your cause as it seems you cannot see past black and white?
Posted by: London, London on 2:22pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[quote][bold]Big Al[/bold] wrote:
Regardless of him being convicted of stealing cars, he was a human being! I have been in prison myself for something i look back on as disgraceful, but do i deserve to die?? He got caught stealing cars, so what, ok its not right but thats what he done, you cant change the past but you can make your future what you want and his Son was his future!!![/quote] Well said, totally agree with you!
I mean how long do you have to leave it before you are aloud to move on with your life?
If Mikey had been murdered 30 years from now, would these people still be saying the same thing:'oh thank god, he stole a car 30 years ago so he deserved to die!?'
Big Al wrote:
Regardless of him being convicted of stealing cars, he was a human being! I have been in prison myself for something i look back on as disgraceful, but do i deserve to die?? He got caught stealing cars, so what, ok its not right but thats what he done, you cant change the past but you can make your future what you want and his Son was his future!!!
Well said, totally agree with you!
I mean how long do you have to leave it before you are aloud to move on with your life?
If Mikey had been murdered 30 years from now, would these people still be saying the same thing:'oh thank god, he stole a car 30 years ago so he deserved to die!?'
Posted by: Georgina, Surrey on 11:57pm Thu 8 Nov 07
[bold]It is understood Mikey chose the name for his son before he was killed.[/bold]
Well he certainly didn't do it afterwards.
It is understood Mikey chose the name for his son before he was killed.
Well he certainly didn't do it afterwards.
Posted by: Maria, Epsom on 9:03am Fri 9 Nov 07
Georgina, Shut up you Mug, of course he didnt choose his sons name after he died. what a silly comment to make.
Georgina, Shut up you Mug, of course he didnt choose his sons name after he died. what a silly comment to make.
Posted by: courtney on 10:36am Fri 9 Nov 07
Lisa you have got a real chip on your shoulder! Its fair enough you dont want people slating other races but dont start being rude about white people because thats not acceptable either.
To be honest in my experience i see alot more black and asian people being racist to white people than i do the other way round. I have been spat at, shouted at and threatened because of my colour. And i think its disgusting. but the police wont do nefing about it because i am white and they dont care.
Lisa you have got a real chip on your shoulder! Its fair enough you dont want people slating other races but dont start being rude about white people because thats not acceptable either.
To be honest in my experience i see alot more black and asian people being racist to white people than i do the other way round. I have been spat at, shouted at and threatened because of my colour. And i think its disgusting. but the police wont do nefing about it because i am white and they dont care.
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 5:16pm Fri 9 Nov 07
I am not being racist its the truth!
So its ok for people to say its only blacks who do steaming, its only black that do this and do that but I make one comment about the majority of people who take a certain drug which causes the most gun crime amongst drug dealers and I am suddenly a racist!
And Sarah from Wimbledon, shut up! Funny how you dont label people who make blatant comments on here about people of colour or make comments about a dead man. But I try and speak what I think about what people say and the lack of comments made on certain articles and none on others and u want to label me a racist? Ha thats a joke and a half u hypocrite! I think you need to go and read other comments made on this site 1st rather than try and have a dig at me, or have I struck a chord with you or something?
Anyway, back to the story. I am glad to see there are more respectful posts about Mikey on here
I am not being racist its the truth!
So its ok for people to say its only blacks who do steaming, its only black that do this and do that but I make one comment about the majority of people who take a certain drug which causes the most gun crime amongst drug dealers and I am suddenly a racist!
And Sarah from Wimbledon, shut up! Funny how you dont label people who make blatant comments on here about people of colour or make comments about a dead man. But I try and speak what I think about what people say and the lack of comments made on certain articles and none on others and u want to label me a racist? Ha thats a joke and a half u hypocrite! I think you need to go and read other comments made on this site 1st rather than try and have a dig at me, or have I struck a chord with you or something?
Anyway, back to the story. I am glad to see there are more respectful posts about Mikey on here
Posted by: Lisa, Croydon on 5:38pm Fri 9 Nov 07
And one more thing. I too agree there is a problem with youths in general. Me being in my late 20's, I and my friends all say the youth of today are disrespectful, rude, violent etc. And yes there are groups of black youths out there causing crimes etc. But it is not every black person and I am just sick of reading comments on these websites where people are generalising. If you live in my world and my boyfriend's world and my friend's world, then you would soon understand where I am coming from because we have to deal with prejudices on a regular basis but we choose to ignore it and better ourselves whereas unfortunately others dont. But I take exception to people making comments about blacks etc when I know my boyfriend works bloody hard in life and doesnt need to be labelled a thug and looked at like a thug just because he is black, and based on comments made on this website, this is the impression I get. No I am not racist, and I dont appreciate people like Sarah saying I am just because she doesnt like my views.
Like this article, I wasnt even the 1st to mention colour, it wouldnt have even got mentioned had it not been brought up. Thankfully most derogatory comments have been deleted because this is about a young man who is now dead who happened to have a bad past and nothing else!
And one more thing. I too agree there is a problem with youths in general. Me being in my late 20's, I and my friends all say the youth of today are disrespectful, rude, violent etc. And yes there are groups of black youths out there causing crimes etc. But it is not every black person and I am just sick of reading comments on these websites where people are generalising. If you live in my world and my boyfriend's world and my friend's world, then you would soon understand where I am coming from because we have to deal with prejudices on a regular basis but we choose to ignore it and better ourselves whereas unfortunately others dont. But I take exception to people making comments about blacks etc when I know my boyfriend works bloody hard in life and doesnt need to be labelled a thug and looked at like a thug just because he is black, and based on comments made on this website, this is the impression I get. No I am not racist, and I dont appreciate people like Sarah saying I am just because she doesnt like my views.
Like this article, I wasnt even the 1st to mention colour, it wouldnt have even got mentioned had it not been brought up. Thankfully most derogatory comments have been deleted because this is about a young man who is now dead who happened to have a bad past and nothing else!
Posted by: Sarah, Wimbledon on 3:21pm Mon 12 Nov 07
For crying out loud - Lisa SHUT UP.
Stop posturing & get that big fat chip off your shoulder. We all have difficult lives for whatever reason - but dont whine about it on here. This is a forum for debates on news stories, not a "political correctness competition". I dont care if you are pink with yellow spots & your boyfriend is an iguanna from the moon & I dont think many other people care either. What has happened here is a tragedy - a Man has lost his life -However, the saddest fact is, he was a criminal & had he been given a custodial sentence - he probably would still be alive today! A true indication of why tougher sentencing is needed. You know who I feel for? His child & girlfriend Marcie, they have lost a very important thing a soulmate & a father. Thats a crying shame. LISA, for you to write on here about having sex with your "black" boyfriend, just to score points is so direspectful.You should be VERY VERY ashamed!
For crying out loud - Lisa SHUT UP.
Stop posturing & get that big fat chip off your shoulder. We all have difficult lives for whatever reason - but dont whine about it on here. This is a forum for debates on news stories, not a "political correctness competition". I dont care if you are pink with yellow spots & your boyfriend is an iguanna from the moon & I dont think many other people care either. What has happened here is a tragedy - a Man has lost his life -However, the saddest fact is, he was a criminal & had he been given a custodial sentence - he probably would still be alive today! A true indication of why tougher sentencing is needed. You know who I feel for? His child & girlfriend Marcie, they have lost a very important thing a soulmate & a father. Thats a crying shame. LISA, for you to write on here about having sex with your "black" boyfriend, just to score points is so direspectful.You should be VERY VERY ashamed!
Posted by: kelsie, ___________ on 10:41pm Fri 16 Nov 07
[bold]bold[/bold] every1 makes mistakes u kno.nuff luv 2 u mikeyxxr.i.pxx
every1 makes mistakes u kno.nuff luv 2 u mikeyxxr.i.pxx
Posted by: kelsie, _____ on 9:08am Sat 17 Nov 07
[bold]bold[/bold] this is to Georgina he did choose his name and romani is the
name he wanted ok.
this is to Georgina he did choose his name and romani is the
name he wanted ok.
Posted by: miranda, ex-croydon on 11:23pm Sat 17 Nov 07
Did I miss the death penalty being reintroduced into this country? I am surprised that it is being dished out for stealing cars etc though, wow!! Just think of all those people out there with asbo's coming out of their ears, and people with multiple points on their licences for speeding, or talking or their mobile phones whilst driving...mmm...I bet a few of the people that have posted on here have done that...and we all know how dangerous that can be. So watch out! We can not pick and choose like this. Most of us have broken the law in some way at some time, perhaps not intentionally, or maybe with 'good reason', do we deserve to die? No. This lad had been given his sentence by the courts, they are the only people that can decide what should happen to someone. We have no right to do so! Do you think his little boy will agree with you? Or his mother? would your mother?
Did I miss the death penalty being reintroduced into this country? I am surprised that it is being dished out for stealing cars etc though, wow!! Just think of all those people out there with asbo's coming out of their ears, and people with multiple points on their licences for speeding, or talking or their mobile phones whilst driving...mmm...I bet a few of the people that have posted on here have done that...and we all know how dangerous that can be. So watch out! We can not pick and choose like this. Most of us have broken the law in some way at some time, perhaps not intentionally, or maybe with 'good reason', do we deserve to die? No. This lad had been given his sentence by the courts, they are the only people that can decide what should happen to someone. We have no right to do so! Do you think his little boy will agree with you? Or his mother? would your mother?
Posted by: james fuller, New York on 12:35pm Mon 19 Nov 07
When I used to live in the UK - Thankfully not anymore, I knew the person in this article. Yes he did make mistakes in his young life and for those mistakes he was charged and convicted. No matter who we are and from whatever walk of life, no one is perfect. To release a story like this is very insensitve to his family and friends who have done nothing to deserve this loss of life. I beleive some compassion is in order and to all the readers who feel it is necessary to write cold hearted comments, you should consider how many mistakes you have made in your own lives and imagine if someone also wished some draconian penalty on you.
I would like to offer my condolences to the family at this difficult time and I hope that the readers think more carefully about what they post and the editors also consider what is truly newsworthy.
When I used to live in the UK - Thankfully not anymore, I knew the person in this article. Yes he did make mistakes in his young life and for those mistakes he was charged and convicted. No matter who we are and from whatever walk of life, no one is perfect. To release a story like this is very insensitve to his family and friends who have done nothing to deserve this loss of life. I beleive some compassion is in order and to all the readers who feel it is necessary to write cold hearted comments, you should consider how many mistakes you have made in your own lives and imagine if someone also wished some draconian penalty on you.
I would like to offer my condolences to the family at this difficult time and I hope that the readers think more carefully about what they post and the editors also consider what is truly newsworthy.
Posted by: Maria, Surrey on 6:03pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Message to James Fuller, i was surprised to see a messgae from you and you live so far away?just reading your message and just wandered how you knew Mikey? i knew mikey for a long time i meet him through my boyfriend Alan (Ferrit) maybe you know him to? id love a response from you. x
and to the person who wrote a message from "Mikey" was sick, who ever done that needs there head testing!!! people you need to grow up and think about things you do and say in life. all the small minded people out there you shouldnt worry about, as long as you know the truth thats all that matters. RIP Mikey Brown xxx
Message to James Fuller, i was surprised to see a messgae from you and you live so far away?just reading your message and just wandered how you knew Mikey? i knew mikey for a long time i meet him through my boyfriend Alan (Ferrit) maybe you know him to? id love a response from you. x
and to the person who wrote a message from "Mikey" was sick, who ever done that needs there head testing!!! people you need to grow up and think about things you do and say in life. all the small minded people out there you shouldnt worry about, as long as you know the truth thats all that matters. RIP Mikey Brown xxx
Posted by: kel, wandsworth on 4:44pm Thu 13 Mar 08
I have read all of the comments left here, I knew Mikey for over 20 years he was my neighbour for ten of those years i went to primary school with him and carried on to see him as we grew up and all i have to say to these people that are disrespecting him the way they are is that you never knew Mikey you never knew anything about his life and what he had been through ok so he had been involved in car crime which was wrong and he had pleaded guilty as to why he was aserving a suspended sentance because he knew he had done wrong but since finding out that he was going to be a father he had changed his life around he was working hard to buy and save for his unborn son. Then on a night out he was killed only him and the guy who stabbed him know exactly what happened that night so who are you all to judge him he may not have been perfect but he was working to improve his life!!!!!!!! more than alot of people in this country let him rest in peace !!!! **** Mikey you was a good man despite ur mistakes rest in peace hun ****
I have read all of the comments left here, I knew Mikey for over 20 years he was my neighbour for ten of those years i went to primary school with him and carried on to see him as we grew up and all i have to say to these people that are disrespecting him the way they are is that you never knew Mikey you never knew anything about his life and what he had been through ok so he had been involved in car crime which was wrong and he had pleaded guilty as to why he was aserving a suspended sentance because he knew he had done wrong but since finding out that he was going to be a father he had changed his life around he was working hard to buy and save for his unborn son. Then on a night out he was killed only him and the guy who stabbed him know exactly what happened that night so who are you all to judge him he may not have been perfect but he was working to improve his life!!!!!!!! more than alot of people in this country let him rest in peace !!!! **** Mikey you was a good man despite ur mistakes rest in peace hun ****
Posted by: Al, epsom on 6:16pm Fri 9 May 08
By strange circumstance I knew the lad charged with this, I didnt know Micky. From the more restrained comments they sound very much alike, young lads who had made mistakes but were learning to grow up and become adults. They were both enjoying a night out, who doesnt. What I find really sad is that we have all made mistakes, we have all learnt to grow up.
The difference is that the argument they had in my day would have been settled with a black eye or bloody nose. How does this society chanhge the fact that today's youth are willing to carry knives and use for simple every day arguments. Two lifes runied, two families devestated, lets concentrate on how you stop this for the future, not trying to create our view of something we will never know the full deatils of.
By strange circumstance I knew the lad charged with this, I didnt know Micky. From the more restrained comments they sound very much alike, young lads who had made mistakes but were learning to grow up and become adults. They were both enjoying a night out, who doesnt. What I find really sad is that we have all made mistakes, we have all learnt to grow up.
The difference is that the argument they had in my day would have been settled with a black eye or bloody nose. How does this society chanhge the fact that today's youth are willing to carry knives and use for simple every day arguments. Two lifes runied, two families devestated, lets concentrate on how you stop this for the future, not trying to create our view of something we will never know the full deatils of.
Posted by: Al, epsom on 6:16pm Fri 9 May 08
By strange circumstance I knew the lad charged with this, I didnt know Micky. From the more restrained comments they sound very much alike, young lads who had made mistakes but were learning to grow up and become adults. They were both enjoying a night out, who doesnt. What I find really sad is that we have all made mistakes, we have all learnt to grow up.
The difference is that the argument they had in my day would have been settled with a black eye or bloody nose. How does this society chanhge the fact that today's youth are willing to carry knives and use for simple every day arguments. Two lifes runied, two families devestated, lets concentrate on how you stop this for the future, not trying to create our view of something we will never know the full deatils of.
By strange circumstance I knew the lad charged with this, I didnt know Micky. From the more restrained comments they sound very much alike, young lads who had made mistakes but were learning to grow up and become adults. They were both enjoying a night out, who doesnt. What I find really sad is that we have all made mistakes, we have all learnt to grow up.
The difference is that the argument they had in my day would have been settled with a black eye or bloody nose. How does this society chanhge the fact that today's youth are willing to carry knives and use for simple every day arguments. Two lifes runied, two families devestated, lets concentrate on how you stop this for the future, not trying to create our view of something we will never know the full deatils of.
